Whack-A-Mole Orthodox Style

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The St Nicholas Shrine is emblematic of the problems we Orthodox in America face. I won’t go into too much detail at present because the Shrine is just one aspect (albeit a big one) of the corruption that plagues the Ecumenical Patriarchate.

The problems are multilayered and they are as topical and as relevant as the news on your 24/7 news channel. Ordinarily, we could “follow the money” and see where the trail leads. This time, we’re constrained from doing so. Why? Long story short: the inability to finish the Shrine is part-and-parcel of the State Department’s neoconservative agenda against Russia. Specifically how it has used –and is using–the venerable See of Constantinople for its own anti-Orthodox purposes.  

And now, the excrement is starting to hit the fan. The news is no longer being confined to Orthodox blogs but is breaking out into the secular, alternative media. Please take the time to watch this short video. (I recommend watching it from the top because it looks like Ed Buck is getting ready to win “The Next Jeffrey Epstein Award”. However, if you want to get to the GOA meat of the matter, skip to 2’18”.)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCN4L2CFSzI&feature=youtu.be

Now, if you’re like me, you’re wondering, why does Fr Alex Karloutsos’ name keep popping up? And always in the strangest places: this time in conjunction with George Papadopoulos and the whole Trump-Russia Collusion Hoax.

See page 179 for more of the inside skinny:   http://thespygateproject.org/ocred_docs/docs/10.25.18_Papadopoulos_Interview_Transcript_Redacted.pdf 

Kind of makes you go “hmm…”

More to follow (I’m sure).

Comments

  1. YouTube says ‘Video unavailable’.

  2. Peter A. Papoutsis says

    Alex Karloutsos a Democratic political apparatchik? Noooooooooooo! I’m shocked i tell you! I’m shocked! Ok Jesus please come back now. I want to go home. 
    God love you all.
    Peter A  Papoutsis 

    • George Michalopulos says

      Peter, like all globalists, he plays both sides against the middle. He may in fact be a Republican. His son is an apparatchik in the Trump State Dept. (Probably a RINO.)

      • Peter A. Papoutsis says

        You got that right.
        Peter A. Papoutsis 

      • George, I believe the K’s son in the State Department was a short lived 5 month stint.                                                                    
        Michael KarloutsosDEPARTED DEC. 17, 2017
        State (joined: July 23, 2017)
        Deputy Chief of Protocol, Office Of The Chief Of Protocol | $179,700

         

         

         

      • I looked up the tax roll, and Father Alexander born 1945 is No Party Affiliation, while his son Michael born 1971 is Republican. I think the idea is to cover all bases.

      • Joni Deripas says

        His son did not last long at State. Rex Tillerson tired quickly.

  3. GoArmyBeatNavy says

    Tell me, again, how corruption of money at the Shrine by the Greek Orthodox hierarchy is tied to a US State Dept and neo-con campaign against Russia?  You lost me. 

    • George Michalopulos says

      Well, start connecting the dots. The GOA is now under Federal investigation, their treasurer has taken an immunity deal, so we can imagine he is singing. In the meantime, Pompeo told the DOJ to turn a blind eye to the embezzlmentpalooza that is the St Nicholas Shrine on the condition that the GOA tell the EP to sign on the dotted Ukrainian line. And the Archon/L100 class is not giving one thin dime to bail out the Shrine.

      More to follow.

      • GSV So Much For Subtlety says

        So you’re saying Trump’s Secretary of State is mired in a scandal and perverting the rule of law and should resign?

        • Gail Sheppard says

          GSV So Much for Subtlety: Not necessarily, but it shows what Trump is up against. Our Dept of Defense is always looking for a war and Ukraine would have been a great place to have one. They probably started this whole “Russia is bad” thing just so they could go into Ukraine.

          • GSV So Much For Subtlety says

            The DOD is completely unrelated to the subject at hand, which is that George Michalopulos is apparently claiming that a Trump cabinet official is using the Department of Justice to blackmail an American religious organization into exerting pressure on a foreign national to achieve a particular policy objective? It’s really quite an allegation!

            That said, you managed an impressive three problematic statements in two sentences: that the DOD “is always looking for a war” that they thought “Ukraine would have been a great place to have one” and that the DOD probably started the whole “Russia is bad thing”

            Ah yes, who can forget when the 101st Airborne invaded and annexed Crimea, the Air Force shot down MH-17, and an SOCOM special forces unit caused the death of British woman with careless disposal of nerve agent used in a political assassination attempt on British soil. All to make Russia look bad so they could fight a war in Ukraine for funsies.

            • Gail Sheppard says

              You don’t think Pompeo, like the Department of Defense (some say BECAUSE of the Department of Defense), wants war in Ukraine?  Seriously?  –  

              Pompeo:  “Russia attempted to upend the international order, undermined basic human freedoms, and weakened our common security.  The world has not forgotten the cynical lies Russia employed to justify its aggression and mask its attempted annexation of Ukrainian territory.  Russia’s use of force against a peaceful neighbor must not be tolerated by reputable states.  The United States reiterates its unwavering position:  Crimea is Ukraine and must be returned to Ukraine’s control.”  https://by.usembassy.gov/statement-by-secretary-pompeo-on-ukraine/

              Trump is at odds with these people because he wants to bring troops home; not send them somewhere else!

              George never said anything about blackmail.  He said the Justice Department would look the other way if Constantinople managed to fire up the nationalists against Russia through the establishment of a church in Ukraine.  That’s what “turn a blind eye” means.  It’s called, “Let’s make a deal.”

              It was the Feds who first brought the scandal to our attention. Where do you think they went? Do you think they just got bored and dropped the whole thing? Of course, they didn’t. They’re using it as leverage.

              Like it or not, war is money for them.

              • GSV So Much For Subtlety says

                You don’t appear to have read what George Michalopulos actually wrote. Carry out the Secretary of State’s whims and try and achieve his foreign policy objective or we’ll prosecute you is pretty functionally equivalent to blackmail. Of a religious institution no less! Oh no! The Federal Government is persecuting Christianity! The described scenario (which, to be fair, like almost everything George Michalopulos spouts probably has little to no basis in reality) is not a “we busted you with weed but we’ll go easy on you if you sell out your dealer” scenario, this is utterly corrupt.
                 
                Now, Pompeo might be up for a war with Iran, yes. But in Ukraine against Russia? Not quite so much. And again, you are conflating things that aren’t actually related.
                 
                That statement you posted from Pompeo isn’t saber rattling or warmongering, it’s just a hard diplomatic statement, that amusingly in contrast to anything he says about Iran, is more or less accurate and free of lies or distortion! The fruits of that statement and US position over the past half decade was never war, but sanctions and diplomatic/international consequences like Russia being kicked out of the G8.
                 
                Some wag on Twitter summed it up well years ago, something to the effect of the annexation of Crimea was a useful marker to recognize the difference people who realize that Russia has legitimate regional interests and people who are going to justify anything Russia does.
                 
                Also Trump just sent troops to Saudi Arabia, a country we don’t even have a defense treaty with, whether Trump wants to being troops home will vary depending on the day of the week.

                • Gail Sheppard says

                  Yeah, you’re right! The State Department never does anything like that so why would we believe they would do it now? Biden, Hillary, and Pompeo really like Bartholomew as a person, that’s all. Those reports on Wikileaks where they’ve documented what Bartholomew said with regard to losing his ecumenical throne is just some lite summer reading to them. They have no interest in leveraging his paranoia. And knowing he and his are in way over their head with St. Nicholas Shine is of no consequence. They’re just really busy and that’s why they [US attorney and AG] are no longer in the news threating the archons with indictments. And as far as they’re concerned, Russia can carve out as much as it wants in Ukraine. They don’t care. – Yeah, let’s go with that and mischaracterize what George has said in the process. – Snark off.

                  No one disagrees with your assessment that it is totally corrupt.

                  What counts as “Sabor rattling?” Tell me what you’re looking for and I’ll find it but you’ll have to agree up front that you will begin approaching this fairly. If you’re not willing to keep an open mind, it’s not worth my time.

                  Pompeo has made no secret of his feelings. Lawmakers allocated $250 million in security aid to Ukraine, including money for weapons, training, equipment and intelligence support. Specifically, Congress set aside $50 million for weaponry. If it weren’t for Trump, Pompeo and the Defense Department would be moving full steam ahead. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/28/trump-ukraine-military-aid-russia-1689531

                  “America’s secretary of state Mike Pompeo, had assured him in a phone call that his country, had the “full support, full assistance, including military assistance, full coordination, what we [need] to do to protect Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity. . .” https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-crimea-latest-russia-petro-poroshenko-mike-pompeo-vladimir-putin-donald-trump-a8655106.html

                  • GSV So Much For Subtlety says

                    A problem here is at a fundamental level, you do not understand how the United States Government works. In matters of foreign affairs, the USG has policies and positions. In his role as Secretary of State, it is literally Pompeo’s job to communicate those at the highest level on the world stage.
                     
                    You quoting statements from the Secretary of State of the United States of America functioning in this role are not Pompeo expressing his personal feelings. Regardless of whether or not his personal feelings do actually align with USG policy. In the Ukrainian matters in question, these USG positions not only predate his stint as SecState, they predate the Trump Administration.
                     
                    Now, Pompeo as SecState has the ability to advocate for his beliefs and feelings and try and change things based on that behind the scenes, but he doesn’t get to dictate USG policy based on his personal feelings. Heck, even the President doesn’t get to do that (not for lack of trying in Trump’s case), although the executive does have a lot of latitude in that department. Especially when money enters the equation, Congress makes sure they get their input. 
                     
                    And thus the $250 million in security aid. You say “If it weren’t for Trump”, but that $250 million in security was part of legislation passed by Congress and signed by Trump!
                     
                    Of course, if Monomakhos has a ‘policy position’ it’s closer to ‘Ukraine has no sovereignty and thus no territory to have its integrity violated’. Which is why such normal diplomatic statements come across as ‘advocating for war’.
                     

                    • Gail Sheppard says

                      Well, I’m done. You’re talking to yourself at this point.

                    • Antiochene Son says

                      And people say the Deep State is a conspiracy theory!
                       
                      If the State Department is enforcing some kind of nebulous policy of “the US Government” rather than the policy of its elected and legitimate head, the President (whoever that may be at a given time), we have a real problem. If policy is not directed by the results of elections, we no longer have a country.

                      No agency or department of the executive branch has the right to act independently in its own interests.
                       
                      We don’t even have a dictatorship, because then you still have a strong man to pin policy on. We just have a mass of entrenched employees led around by powerful (((interests))). Who the president is, does not matter in this world.

                    • George Michalopulos says

                      AS, I have an idea: let’s stop the pretense of calling ourselves a constitutional republic and all that Civics 101 nonsense we were taught in Jr High and just go straight to the Third-world banana republic stage where we have a small, permanent oligarchy that calls all the shots.

                      That way we won’t waste our time criticizing Putin for “muh democracy” and concentrate on the really important things, things like identity politics and cadging resources for our own specific tribal group. We can be like Brazil today, in which the wealthy have helicopters ferret themselves from downtown Sao Paolo skyscraper to suburban gated community so that they don’t have to mess with the wretched hoi polloi subsisting in the favelas as they go about living the high life.

                      I don’t think Blade Runner was supposed to be a “how-to” book. But I could be wrong.

                    • GSV So Much For Subtlety says

                      Well, a vote for Trump was a vote for trashing the Republic and the rule of law and turning America more into Russia and Brazil, so there’s that.
                       
                      Also, man, Antiochene Son really hits the ruling elite Jewish cabal playbook hard, doesn’t he?

                  • Alitheia1875 says

                    Just imagine what the world would be like if the least qualified person to ever hold the office of the Presidency of the United States was, in fact, not the President?

  4. Greatly Saddened says

    Below please find an article from today on the Authentic Transparency and Accountability website.
     
    Authentic Transparency and Accountability
    Monday, September 23, 2019
    Elpidophoros is Losing Credibility Quickly
     
    http://protectingorthodoxchurch.blogspot.com/2019/09/elpidophoros-is-losing-credibility-fast.html

  5. Alitheia1875 says

    What is missing entirely for this discussion is where the money went. It almost seems that some folks believe the missing money went directly to Ukraine, or the EP, or perhaps to Russia, maybe State or the DOD? Solve the puzzle where the money went and most questions will be answered. (Hint, the Archdiocese raided the fund.) Now all that remains is to find out who pushed that button on the computer to transfer the money.

  6. Michael Bauman says

    George, is Civics or Government still taught?  If it is I suspect the text books long ago stopped calling the US a Constitutional Republic.  We are a democracy don’t you know.  A Republic is only for white racists excuse me, that’s redundant. Dead white guys.

  7. OK, tmatt the journalist requests a bit more info — and perhaps a URL or two. 
    Source for this?
    [Pompeo told the DOJ to turn a blind eye to the embezzlmentpalooza that is the St Nicholas Shrine on the condition that the GOA tell the EP to sign on the dotted Ukrainian line.]

    • George Michalopulos says

      tmatt, you don’t expect there to be an actual memo from State telling the DoJ to turn a blind eye to the St Nicholas Shrine embezzlement do you?  Anyway, that story has already been broken on http://www.orthochristian.com.  
      I imagine now with the Ukraine/Biden story getting all the attention, we are fixing to find out a whole lotta other things regarding Ukraine, the EP and the GOA.  Especially now that Fr Alex Karloutsos has been implicated in getting the ball rolling with George Papadopoulos.

      • Antiochene Son says

        This Ukraine story is so stupid, just Russian Collusion 2.0. Why shouldn’t Ukraine investigate the activities of Biden’s son, who caused so much havoc over there and surely broke Ukrainian law?

  8. Michael Bauman says

    Pavlos: Off the top of my head, I can think of at least nine and as many as 17 U.S. Presidents who were far less qualified than Trump, in no particular order:

    Martin Van Buren (stupid, corrupt). Came from NY, was a bar owner as his entre into politics, AOC comes to mind as his lack of economic understanding created mightily to the economic Panic of 1837

    Millard Fillmore (stupid, alcoholic)

    James Buchanan (stupider yet). His failure to do anything leading up to the Civil War made it inevitable by the time Lincoln took office

    Andrew Johnson (stupid, no political experience, probably an active alcoholic)

    Rutherford B. Hays (election corrupt)

    Warren G. Harding (stupid had corrupt handlers). He was picked by movers and shakers to run for President because they could easily manipulate him and he “looked like a President” (Biden anyone?)

    John Quincy Adams (election politically traded was chosen by the elite at the time because of who his father was. His favorite hobby was to swim nude in the Potomac)

    Jimmy Carter (inept, Rosalynn was far more qualified)

    Gerald Ford (inept was only President because he was inoffensive).

    The other eight possibles: Wilson, Taft, Grant, Tyler, William Henry Harrison, Taylor, Pierce and Arthur.

    If you want an historical analog for Trump in terms of personality, style, political outlook and controversy, look at Andrew Jackson who is in the top quartile of historical rankings of U.S. Presidents.

    9 presidents is about 20% of the total number we have had, 17 is about 40% of the presidents we have had. In either case he is far from the least qualified.

    Although we need a least another 30-50 years to come to any kind of semi-accurate consensus on the Presidents since Eisenhower.

    Taking into account my own political bias, I think that in the end (at least 80 to 100 years from now) Trump will be ranked in the top 25% of U.S. Presidents.

    I am afraid I have to put your comment in the category of uninformed politically biased opinion. Therefore of no worth in terms of genuine evaluation of Trump.

  9. Not to change the subject…but check out this article I just stumbled across from 2016.
    http://www.defenddemocracy.press/man-behind-many-greek-disasters-orthodox-synod-crete/

  10. Orthodoxos Typos (Orthodox Press) Sept. 27, 2019
    Some titles on first page:

    It is a myth that the Patriarch expresses and guarantees unity.

    The Greece Hierarchy is superior of the one-man authority of Fanar.
    “You killed and inherited your brother Onuphry”
    The Patriarch of Constantinople will obey and will submit himself to the Greece Church, because he is in a dead end. He has divided the Ecumene (world) enough!

    http://orthodoxostypos.gr/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/2275-%CE%A0%CE%A1%CE%A9%CE%A4%CE%9F%CE%A3%CE%95%CE%9B%CE%99%CE%94%CE%9F.jpg

  11. Greatly Saddened says

    Below please find an article from yesterday on the Authentic Transparency and Accountability website.

    Thursday, October 3, 2019
    Holy Trinity Chicago Stands Up to Metropolitan Nathanael

    http://protectingorthodoxchurch.blogspot.com/2019/10/holy-trinity-chicago-fights.html?m=1