Today, the 29th of May, is the 569th anniversary of the Fall of Constantinople to Sultan Mehmed II Fatih (the Conqueror). Believe it or not, this was the 24th time that a foreign enemy tried to conquer “the Golden Apple.” Vikings, Arabs, Persians, Normans and Turks all tried their hand at this prospect several times over several centuries.
Mehmet, the 21-year-old Sultan, who fancied himself a conqueror in the mold of Alexander the Great, succeeded.
It was a bleak day for Christians all over the world. They knew what it meant. In 1456, just three years after the fall of Constantinople, Mehmet tried to take Belgrade but was turned back by the combined Christian forces led by Yanni Hunyadi. And then, then some seventy years later, Suleiman the Magnificent, marched on Vienna, and almost took it. Islam seemed unstoppable.
In any event, those two kingdoms –Hungary and Austria–were spared. Byzantium was not.
As far as we Greeks are concerned, it was a particularly stinging defeat. It was in fact a historical trauma from which we never recovered. Neither our nation nor our Church emerged unscathed. Indeed, the Great Church of Christ, underwent a “pseudomorphosis” as it were, torturing its form into a parody of its former self. Simony and corruption set in.
So it makes sense why Constantinople “matters,” especially to other Orthodox people as well. Eventually Bulgaria and Serbia fell whereas Romania was able to enjoy an autonomy under the rule of handpicked Phanariote nobles. But were you aware that it matters to the Russians as well?
I for one didn’t realize this. However, one of our commentators, Ianto Watt, has written what I believe to be an insightful analysis of the present Russo-Ukrainian war. Spoiler alert: Constantinople may be the heart of it.
Please take the time to read it. It’s a fascinating piece. Please bear in mind that Mr Watt writes from an ultramontane Catholic perspective, so we may have a few quibbles with it. That doesn’t mean that we can’t be respectful and given the consideration that we feel it deserves.
As always, let us know what you think.
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Ukraine, Russia & The Orient Express — Guest Post by Ianto Watt
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gar6MONCKs
Greek pride intensifies.
I don’t think it’s possible to entirely predict what will happen and who wants what. However, “our” “leaders” clearly only have malice in mind for the sake of malice itself. Russia is the last bastion of something resembling traditional Christian values. Therefore I only wish Putin Godspeed in his quests.
Somewhat related:
https://youtu.be/pVJG2Agyv2U
Beware of Romans bearing gifts. I see no evidence to support this papist claptrap. Really, I don’t know why you all indulge this nonsense. One major reason the authoritarians will end up dominating the “democrats” is that they limit “freedom of speech”. Thus the battlefield of ideas is located in the West, not the East.
For those who really believe in the Third Rome appellation, Istanbul is as irrelevant as Rome, Italy.
Let us consider some real evidence:
1. Russia unequivocally supported Erdogan in the 2016 coup, unlike the West.
2. As a result, Erdogan has had Russia’s back during the present adventure. He has blocked off entry into the Baltic Sea and is currently blocking Swedish and Finnish accession to NATO.
3. Which exports and which imports characterize Constantinople and of what effect is that to the Russian economy? Turkey is among the leaders in imports from Russia, but Constantinople itself exports nothing but division and internal tensions within Orthodoxy. I hear they have a lot of cats, but Russia is running long on cats (who have also been sanctioned, I might add).
4. Since Turkey is more or less an ally of Russia, why would Russia set its sights on Istanbul? Russia would have to form an intention to conquer Turkey. Why would Russia want to conquer a Muslim state that is a member of NATO, especially if the Turks are doing nothing to harm Russia and seem to be doing what they can to aid her? Ancient history? I think not. There is nothing whatsoever magic about Constantinople, especially in an age when the Russians are keen on building up the gravitas of Moscow and downplaying the Phanar as irrelevant. Capturing Istanbul would be counterproductive, giving it more significance, not less.
5. Were Russia so inclined, my guess is that they could pressure Turkey to evict the Phanariotes. However, the Phanar is a creature of the US State Department and Deep State. So Russia is inclined to let that rock lay unturned given the provocative potential. Again, what benefit would it be to Russia if an already disgraced and excommunicated Phanar had to relocate? It would only create sympathy.
6. Is this fanciful tale not an attempt to flatter the Greeks in order to drive a further wedge between the faction centered around Istanbul and that centered around Moscow and, moreover, to drive a wedge between the Turks and the Russians? The MP has already made a show of ostracizing and ignoring the Phanar, given its offenses. They have broken communion not only with the CP but with its satellites who recognize the OCU. It has further participated in the Amman synaxis, led by the Patriarch of Jerusalem.
7. There is no doubt that Russia received Orthodoxy from the Greeks. And many Greeks in Greece itself feel a kinship with Russia. But the Greek government is also coopted by the West. It is only the Greek shipping industry which has put its foot down which is preventing the government from adversely affecting the flow of Russian oil.
8. Most of Orthodoxy is with the MP. Syria has received substantial assistance from Russia against Western aggression and the West’s support for Islamist elements. Jerusalem is clearly onside with Russia as Amman demonstrated. Russia is substantially involved in Orthodoxy in the Holy Land.
9. Given the status quo (which Ronald Reagan famously quipped is Latin for “the mess we’re in now”), why would Russia risk alienating the rest of the Orthodox world, war with NATO, and the occupation of a Muslim country, with a hard takeover of Istanbul?
10. Rather, why not keep Turkey as an ally, break Europe with its present strategy of commodities for rubles, causing them to face their dependency on Russian energy, and overturning governments which resist this soft takeover? Turkey, and Constantinople, are very, very small potatoes.
I think in my second comment on this thread I said Erdogan was blocking off the Baltic Sea, I meant to say the Black Sea.
I believe the main reason Russia wanted Crimea was to have a warm water port leading to the Mediterranean. Access through the Bosphorus Straits is considered vital for Russia. If the straits are closed to Russia, then there will be war with Turkey.
Oh, O …
http://www.patriarchia.ru/db/text/5931468.html
Notice:
5. Emphasize that Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia, deeply empathizing with all those affected by misfortune, has repeatedly called for doing everything possible to avoid casualties among civilians, and for all members of the Russian Orthodox Church to purely pray for the speedy restoration of peace and provide all possible assistance to all those affected, including refugees, people left without shelter and livelihood.
Beware Latins offering analyses…
This guy’s take is a hot mess. His first premise is wrong from the get-go. In his second he says that no one has ever managed to predict what Russia is going to do – then he proceeds to do that himself.
And he finishes with “buy my book.” This is the same dude that tried to hawk his other book with the ULTIMATE THEORY OF EVERYTHING on here. You shouldn’t be giving him the airtime.
Western intelligence(?) has consistently misunderstood the Rus mind. Russia knows this and follow the adage of not interrupting your enemy when he is making a mistake.
I believe that only the weapons suppliers, support brokers and several politicians are the ones profiting from the fiasco known as Ukraine which Z and others are in denial that they have been thrown under the bus. I wonder where Z will be in a year ?
Smart money says that Russia take over the entire Ukraine – slowly, quietly with less blood and tears.
At least the newest NATO countries are waking up that there is no “enemy” to defend against. (cue Trump when he told NATO members that they needed to pay their fair share). Thus, the idea over a year ago that Europe have their own joint defense force – but in my opinion this is not necessary, not militarily against Russia, but to protect themselves economically from the US implosion.
Concerning Turkey, Russia would be doing the ME a favor since their is no love lost between the Arab and the Turk. Their is no need for military action here. Erdogan sees the advantage here of changing sides. Consider the advantage that Russia – and Turkey will gain.
I am certain that others are seeing the writting on the wall and reassessing their position. Will any country come to help the US in any form – Canada ?
I originally thought that Mitsotakis would be the answer to Greece’s problems – but at what cost ?
When I first heard him speak before the elections, I was not impressed. In time I saw positive changes but I ask myself how much of this was because of US intervention ? History and experience tell us that US intervention does not have a happy ending for the host country. Mitsotakis certainly jumps and somersaults when the US says so. In passing to friends, there was discussion of how Greece has more in common with Russia that with the West. History’s testament is to how often Greece was betrayed by Western powers.
The times they are a’changin’ and the wind is changing direction.We are indeed living in interesting times. My only question is – will the West (US) go away with a bang or a whimper ?
As far as the various Orthodox factions shennigan are concerned, I think of as another roadside dis-attraction. Our Heavenly Father has a plan, so everyone chill out and keep praying.
Conchanipple fell because of hesyogasm, and Cantacozene, the whole world know but you.
Here’s my take on Mr Watt’s piece:
Although I don’t accept his ultramontane premises, he is quite right about seeing the new world order emerging, one that looks to the East. I think the future is Eurasian.
For the West to regain its footing, it must come back to Christian normalcy. Unfortunately, the US and Europe are hopelessly decadent, mired as they are in feminism, faggotry and trannyism. Perhaps after a complete civilizational collapse –one brought on by a massive military humiliation–will the scales off of people’s eyes be removed.
I ain’t holding my breath.