Made in China?

Illustration: Kevin Hong

For all the criticism of Epoch Times, as a pharmacist, I cannot find one thing wrong with what’s being said in this article.

Personally, I’m gratified to see a shift away from the generalized “opioid crisis” to the real elephant in the room, which has always been fentanyl.

What I don’t know is if China is using fentanyl as a “form of chemical warfare.” Or is this the result of our Ruling Class using soporific medications in order to contain the anger of the native working classes?

Can it be both reasons?

https://www.theepochtimes.com/china-is-using-fentanyl-as-chemical-warfare-experts-say_3067392.html?utm_source=Epoch+Times+Newsletters&utm_campaign=0c30b03c46-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_02_03_04_28&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_4fba358ecf-0c30b03c46-239058513

Comments

  1. Not to sounds like a conspiracy theorist but as cooky as Alex Jones is he has been saying this for a long time 

  2. Michael Bauman says

    George, unfortunately, how it got started is probably irrelevant and mass solutions only make honest people hurt more. Have you ever read the story of how Billie Holiday was stalked and killed by the first Drug Czar? Regulation(as in war on drugs), I am sorry to say, only leads to more corruption.

    My Dad who was an acknowledged expert in public health would have approached it by putting a bunch of public health nurses in the field to work with affected communities and neighborhoods offering support and education. He was not fan of regulation.

    Still I have no doubt that the Chinese government helped exacerbate the problem although they did not likely think it up.

    • Antonio Arganda says

      I am much more willing to “credit” our own neoliberal oligarchs with responsibility . Are you aware that the regularly spray us with lithium from on high.
       

    • cynthia curran says

      Yeah, the left is all for legalizing drugs but want to tax tobaccos to death. Lots of lower middle class people smoke. Also, the states that legalized Pot want lower taxes for pot than Cigs. I agree Fentrayl is the problem.

  3. While we’re discussing Chinese bioweapons and fentanyl, it’s no coincidence American control of Afghan opium fields was timed with the Sackler family’s distribution of opioids into our neighborhoods. 

  4. Spot on LonelyDn!  Thanks for ladeling the gravy.

  5. Monk James Silver says

    Were there no American demand for these sinful, destructive and deadly  drugs, there would be no market, and hence no suppliers, whether in China or elsewhere.
     
    Perhaps we should be looking more introspectively into our own culture to learn what is driving the demand.  Once we’ve identified that problem, we can see more clearly to correct it, and the market and its evil suppliers will just go away.
     
    Until then, God help us, we are moral as well as tactical failures in the putative ‘war on drugs’, and we remain defenseless against the demons preying upon us, whether directly or through their slaves. 

    • George Michalopulos says

      Of course. 

    • Unemployment is one factor, especially among men. Demand is going down now that employment is going up.

      • FMonk James Silver says

        I’m not too sure that the rate of employment is going up.  I know that’s what the government says, and politicians like to use this as an index of their success, but I am very suspicious about how they arrive at these figures, since —  at least from my angle — I don’t see any serious movement of unemployed people into well compensated jobs.
         
        Besides, how can unemployed people afford to buy illegal/immoral drugs?  For that matter, how can they afford alcohol or tobacco?  These are not inexpensive pleasures.  While I can’t speak to unemployment’s being a factor in drug abuse, I’ll admit that it might be a characteristic of some drug abusers who are so involved with delusion of pleasure that they can’t find or keep a job. 
         
        Still, I think that there is a cultural rot which must be identified, diagnosed  and rooted out before we can make any real progress in the area of substance abuse.  One place we might start looking is in the area of recreation as a whole.  What do healthy, sane, good and moral people do for fun?  What gives pleasure to sick, insane evildoers and lawbreakers?  Are they indulged or corrected and healed?  Can the healthy help the sick?  How?

        • I’ve known a bunch of these people. They afford it through welfare, burglary, prostitution, and drug dealing.

          • Yeah know what you mean GL Farmer. Take the case of a town in Pennsylvania. Rise in crime seemingly coincidental with the influx of Latino and African immigrants moving in mainly to work in poultry processing, jobs the local residents didn’t want. Sheriff commissions Penn State to crunch the crime statistics. Turns out the rise in crime was associated with unemployed “locals” on benefits, on disability (cue opioid crisis) workers who were too “skilled” for lowly factory work, same group of workers who turned down federal job training programs because of the current Administration’s promise to bring back coal mining jobs, the same type of people who want to scapegoat the hardworking immigrants who have revitalized their town by providing a tax base which benefits the local schools and infrastructure, opening local businesses, rebuilding homes and filling the churches.

            • cynthia curran says

              Got a point there, but I think the local government should force people to get off drugs by cutting welfare benefits. People would work instead of needing immigrants if they lost their benefits.

              • Michael Bauman says

                Would not help. Drugs for addicts are a super-reinforcer this making demand for them strongly inelastic. Other illegal activity would simply increase.
                Getting clean and learning virtue including how to endure is the way.

  6. When I was at the shelter, there was a guy on staff who relapsed to heroin.  He was fired and about three weeks later he was dead from fentanyl.  For a while they were dropping like flies.  It was all anybody talked about until they got a little wiser and word got around about its potency.  Still, when you’re already judgment impaired . . .
    I wouldn’t put it past the Chinese.  You recall the Opium Wars.
    In other news . . .
    I think the fat lady is warming up:
    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/iowa-caucus-democrats-disaster-trump-sanders-949655/amp/
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting_odds/democratic_2020_nomination/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominant-party_system
    https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12281022/the-democratic-party-platform
    Sanders got most of what he wanted in the 2016 platform.  As the nominee, he will write it.
    Checkmate, game over.
    I never thought I would live to see this day.  I was on my knees and face this morning thanking God.

    • It’s also possible, I suppose, that they might not be smart enough to nominate Bernie.  Either way they’re toast.  If they nominate anyone else, he continues as an independent.  How could he not if it were Bloomberg$$$$?
      At least with Bernie as the nominee, they stay united.  He has them by the balls.

  7. RE: “I wouldn’t put it past the Chinese.  You recall the Opium Wars.”

    Excuse me, Misha, but what exactly do you recall of the Opium Wars that is different from history?

    “Between 1839 and 1842, British forces fought a war on behalf of drug traffickers [Note: British drug traffickers]. Their victory opened up the lucrative China trade to British merchants. This was all done with the full blessing of the British government.”

    Source: National Army Museum UK
    https://www.nam.ac.uk/explore/opium-war-1839-1842

     
     
     

    • The opium trade paid the expenses of the British Empire in India.
      It was the most lucrative criminal enterprise in the history of mankind.
      Sadly, Scots (Jardine, Matheson, et al) were to the fore in it.

    • Michael Bauman says

      Ioan, I think that is exactly Misha’s point. I do not think that the Chinese have forgotten or forgiven the destruction, dependency and death the western opium trade wrought on them. Perhaps they want to return the favor?

      • Yes Michael.  It’s a background theme in some of their martial arts films and some other historical cultural films.  They may figure “What’s good for the goose . . .”

        I’m back, at least temporarily, to explain what’s going on at the moment. I like George and he deserves as much given his efforts here. I have followed political developments here since Reagan v. Carter, have an undergraduate in poli sci, law degree and a b.a. in Russian Studies.

        If Lance does not like Republicans, he’s in for a shock. We have taken over. I will explain in a later post since I’m pecking this out on my phone.

        • RE: “We have taken over.”

          Lead us not into temptation, Misha.

          “Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.  And he said to Him, ‘All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.’”
           

      • cynthia curran says

        Probably, but in the 19th century everyone thought opium was good since it helped pain. William Wilberforce, use it for his pain.

        • “…in the 19th century everyone thought opium was good”.
          Not so. Its addictive qualities were widely known:
          “Thomas De Quincey’s Confessions of an English Opium-Eater was first published in 1821 in the London Magazine. It professes to tear away the ‘decent drapery’ of convention and present the reader with ‘the record of a remarkable period’ in the author’s life, beginning when he ran away from school at the age of 17 and spent several months as a vagrant. It is the sections that describe his opium addiction, however, that have become the most famous. De Quincey began to take the drug as a student at Oxford, to relieve a severe bout of toothache, and remained dependent on it for the rest of his life. He describes, in vivid detail, the visions and dreams he experiences, conjuring up a world of contrasts that was both a ‘paradise’ and a place of ‘incubus and nightmare’.
          https://www.bl.uk/collection-items/confessions-of-an-english-opium-eater

          • George Michalopulos says

            Brendan, largely true but that was one man’s opinion. It was true but anecdotal in the strictest sense of the world. For most of the medical world, opium was seen as a wonder drug with its benefits far outweighing its costs.

            • Micahel Bauman says

              Our human quest to relieve pain, physical, spiritual and emotional seems to know no bounds. Sometimes, we give up our souls for it despite the fact that the pain our Lord assumed on the Cross for us which was more than we can imagine: Physical, spiritual and emotional.

              Fortunately, His mercy on our ignorance is even greater.

            • Sorry George.  Not nearly one man’s opinion.
               
              From: How Britain Went to War with China over Opium
              New York Times
              July 3, 2018

              Stephen R. Platt writes in “Imperial Twilight: The Opium War and the End of China’s Last Golden Age.”

              The new book from Mr. Platt, a history professor at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, explores how the war came about through the influence of unscrupulous traders.
               
              Interviewer: It was surprising to learn about the extent of public opposition to the war in Britain. How was it able to go forward?
               
              Platt: Yes, the war was incredibly controversial in its own time, far more so than I expected when I started my research. For the proponents, it was a matter of framing. They denied any connection to opium and argued that the war was entirely about defending Britain’s national honor and protecting their countrymen from alleged atrocities in China. But the involvement of opium was inescapable — thus the name “Opium War,” as the London Times and other papers called it. To many people in Britain the notion of going to war to advance the interests of drug dealers, against a country that had always been friendly to Britain, was abhorrent. As William Gladstone wrote in his diary at the time, “I am in dread of the judgments of God upon England for our national iniquity towards China.”

              • Ioan, Gladstone was in England one of the most faithful Christians and wisest politician. So his words, you quoted, are very important, let’s highlight them:
                :
                “I am in dread of the judgments of God upon England for our national iniquity towards China.”

                • George Michalopulos says

                  Shouldn’t this indictment make us pause when we engage in wars of choice?

                  • Monk James Silver says

                    What, in Heaven’s name, are ‘wars of choice’, and when have we engaged in them?!

                  • Michael Bauman says

                    George, do you mean like “The War of Northern Aggression” in which we lost our Republic, wars of commerce/imperialism (Spanish American War, Mideast Wars), alliance (WWI), ideological aggression(WWII, Korea, Vietnam, War on Drugs, War on Poverty), nation building, etc, etc, etc.?

                    War is always a failure and there are many ways to react to failure. Even the American Revolution was the result of “a failure to communicate” was it not and a desire for commercial power by the trading classes of the Northeast–at least in part. It was also a continuation of the English Civil War — the Protestants against the Crown.

                    War is always a choice, and Henry the V not withstanding, horrid. General Sherman had it right: “War is Hell” Unfortunately, that is where we choose to live most of the time.

            • George, here is another man’s opinion:
              “In 1729: Chinese emperor, Yung Cheng, issue[d] an edict prohibiting the smoking of opium and its domestic sale, except under license for use as medicine.”
              He didn’t do that based on anecdotal opinions. He saw what was coming. Opium devastated Chinese society. By 1910 up to twenty percent of Chinese males were opium addicts. The Emperors tried to stop it early, but the biggest and most successful drug pushers in history – the East India Company and it’s successors, the British protected Hongs like Jardine Matheson, forced this ruinous trade down their throats at gunpoint.
              PBS give a useful historical sketch/timeline at: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/heroin/etc/history.html
              Americans were involvwed in the trade too. I believe FDR’s grandfather was an opium trader – as were some of John Kerry’s forebears.
              It is a dreadful tale.

              • George Michalopulos says

                It is a dreadful tale indeed.  Leaving the historical baggage aside, it is a useful drug for acute, severe pain.

        • Tim R. Mortiss says

          Opiates (opium derivatives) are still good because they help with pain. They’re still the main choice for severe acute pain: wound pain, surgical pain, kidney stones, a few others. But the side-effects of potential addiction is, of course, serious, with chronic use.

          • Michael Bauman says

            Speaking only from my heart surgery experience the manner in which they relieve pain is a big part of the problem. I was on a schedule of oxy every four hours.  During that time I was usually comfortable. However at the four hour mark the pain came crashing back and I “had” to have more. Fentanyl is even more short acting. 
            The only drug that really worked was morphine (one time).  I got a shot due to a severe pain episode about a week after I got out of the hospital.  It never made me high but the complete and utter lack of pain for the 3-4 hours was rather nice.  My mind was clear but zero pain.  Wonderful.
            It does not take chronic use to begin a emotional desire for such things.  Physical dependency does not take long though as my wife found out after her knee surgery.  Withdrawal made it seem like she was having a heart attack.  
             
             

            • Following a dental procedure, I was prescribed a rather large bottle of an opioid.
               
               I had an ache and so decided to take a dose.  Not only did the ache cease, but the “background symphony” of tiny aches, pains, and dull throbs that accompany the daily life of the middle-aged – stopped playing.
               
              I didn’t feel “high” but I did feel at least 25 years younger.  Problem came when the pill wore off and all of my missing pains not only returned but seemed to have become magnified.
               
              I started to reach for that enticingly well-filled bottle, but I restrained myself.
               
              After just one dose, I could feel the pull of addiction and so I never took another.  At the same time, I learned empathy for those who have become addicted to this kind of stuff.
               
              I believe my oral surgeon was of German-American descent and I did not sense a hint of sinicization in his manner or practice.

            • Tim R. Mortiss says

              Yes, morphine does the job when it is needed, as I’ve found a number of times over the years with kidney stones. I’ve had innumerable episodes of same over the last 50 years. Only every few years now is an episode bad enough to require morphine, but most attacks can be handled with hydrocodone or the like. One gets used to it, knows the natural progression, and so it is not so hard to handle.
              The state brought about by morphine I would describe as both the elimination of the pain and, along with it, a powerful sense of well-being. I would not describe it as ‘high’ either, but it’s more than just the absence of pain, and it is not hard to see how one might seek the sensation out, and to take care accordingly.
               

    • The Chinese so deeply resent this massive criminal enterprise that they trot Western Imperialism and Anti-Chinese Bias out at every opportunity to justify their own evils. I am sure they are using it in defense of their current genocide of Uighurs.
      Provably this flu will be a blip in history with no measurable long term consequence but I hope it hastens the dissolution of that Evil Empire Chung-guo. The threat to the world it poses is intolerable. Almost as bad as our republicans. 

  8. Under-educated and over-medicated is how they want us. Why do you think these crazed government organizations have been harping about vaping? Low hanging fruit. The few dozen deaths were linked to illegal underground marijuana pods cut with vitamin e acetate. This hasn’t stopped them from Suing the vaping manufacturers because they offer fruit flavors and kids like fruits! Hookah fruit flavors has been used for millenia yet our mindless handlers have found a new cause to protect “the children” from. 

  9. Perhaps this conversation is why it’s all the more important to explore cannabis as an option for pain relief. I’ve seen numerous benefits to high CBD strands and products among family and friends. Nobody dies from cannabis, and I’ve never seen cannabis tear a person and family apart like alcohol. This, of course, doesn’t mean this isn’t without negative consequences. 
     
    There’s no doubt cannabis is habit forming (although not to the same degree as tobacco and alcohol) and yet it has significant emotional, mental and spiritual consequences. These consequences aren’t always addressed, or immediately noticed by the user, or even those around him.
     
    Still, cannabis is a viable option for some pain relief, and relatively safe compared to opioids. I see too many people destroyed by opium – look at our cities and rural neighborhoods. Opium is a hydra. You cut a head off from that monster and meth grows in its place, because its the next and cheapest high, the Pacific Northwest is especially falling apart because of this syndrome.  

    • Monk James Silver says

      It is at least misleading to suggest that ‘Nobody dies from cannabis….’
       
      People have been arrested for causing traffic accidents by driving while under the influence of marijuana.  While I don’t have statistics handy, it is probable that some of these accidents will result in fatalities if they haven’t already.  So, while users of cannabis might not die as a direct result of their exposure to the chemical, it is irresponsible to say that no one dies from it.
       
      Rather than focus on medical uses of cannabis, it might be better to legalize this intoxicant, as was done with liquor in the repeal of the Volstead Act, make it expensive and tax it like alcohol.  Penalties for acting under impairment would be just the same for cannabis as for alcohol.
       
      Of course, this is not a comment on the morality of using intoxicants, which Tradition allows in moderation —  for those who can use them moderately — but rather an exercise in Realpolitik:  If significant numbers of people are going to use cannabis anyway, let’s decriminalize it, regulate it, tax it and use the proceeds for the public good.

    • George Michalopulos says

      Cannabis is useful also for seizures in children. FYI.

      • Yes, it’s useful for a lot of ailments – – but the pharmaceutical cartels want us dependent on them.  

  10. Michael Bauman says

    Pain is the issue.  Seemingly intractable pain grinds on a person making it more difficult to attend to anything else.  
    That is true whether it is physical, emotional or spiritual.  Long term pain, no matter where it starts ends up impacting all three areas.  
    So we seek to end the pain. We seek prescription drugs from doctors, non-prescription remedies OTC, and of course money, power, toxic relationships, anger, violence and sex with almost an infinite number of permutations and combinations.
    As a last resort, we may seek God but even there it is easy to be deluded, manipulated and thrown more deeply into our pain.  
    Some self-terminate but that only increases the pain for others.  
    While there is no linear cause and effect process, pain, death and sin are interrelated.  
    All of us struggle with some level of pain every day. We are offered false solutions almost constantly.
    The fact is we will never escape it fully until the parousia.  In the meantime, repentance will always help. Even if other aids are still needed, repentance allows God’s order to manifest more easily. His mercy, joy and peace.
    “Lord God of Hosts be with us for we have none other help in times of sorrow but Thee. O Lord of Hosts have mercy on us.”
     
     
     

  11. If reports are true, it looks like Russia, Serbia, Romania, Czeck & Slovak, Polish and Jerusalem will all attend the meeting in Jordan in a couple of weeks. Thanks be to God. Hopefully Bulgaria and Antioch will go as well
     
    https://orthochristian.com/128081.html
     

  12. https://www.redstate.com/stu-in-sd/2020/02/14/civil-war-an-amazing-democratic-socialists-of-america-election-poll/

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/02/13/donald-trump-democrats-face-revolution-if-mike-bloomberg-buys-nomination/

    Others are beginning to see the operative dynamic as well.  Klobuchar is no alternative for reasons that would come out if she became a serious contender:
    https://www.conservapedia.com/Amy_Klobuchar
    This is so tasty.  Слава Богу!

  13. George, have you heard the latest around Jordan Peterson?
     
    Lord have mercy! 
     
    He appears to be in Russia detoxing from benzodiazepines after his wife received a poor cancer diagnosis. “Following a medically induced coma, his daughter Mikhaila reports, her father is now on anti-seizure medication and has suffered neurological damage. He may never be the same.”
     
    See: https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/furey-jordan-peterson-has-done-so-much-good-we-owe-him-our-gratitude
     

    • George Michalopulos says

      I just heard about it yesterday.

      A couple of thoughts came to me:

      1. He went to Russia for treatment. Interesting.

      2. Peterson was a phenomenon. Because he spoke the truth or at the very least questioned most of the shibboleths of modernism, he had a target on his back. And a spiritual one at that.

      Regardless, we need to pray for him.

  14. Joe Netiras says

    Are you really a competent pharmacist? For really frail patients undergoing heart surgery, fentanyl is the only anaesthetic used. No wonder you lost your yop.

    • George Michalopulos says

      Mr Netiras, I have a license in good standing as a DPh (Doctor of Pharmacy; formerly RPh: Registered Pharmacist) in the state of Oklahoma. It is given by the State Board of Pharmacy and I have possessed it for 35+ years. If I were incompetent, I’m guessing they would have figured that out by now. (Not sure what you mean by “yop”, however.)

      The article in question is about fentanyl that comes from China (and through Mexico). It has nothing to do with the efficacy of using fentanyl in a particular population or therapeutic use. I do appreciate your concern though.