This Would Never Happen in Russia…

…or China or Romania or Saudi Arabia or Upper Volta or Greece or Turkey or wherever there are still sane people left. I can’t imagine the Wild Men of Borneo acting like this.

If you click on the link below, you will see an unbridled, unhinged example of anti-Christian bigotry that is beyond ugly. It’s demonic.

As you may know by now, a homosexual coffeehouse owner kicked out some Evangelical Christian patrons last night. Wisely, they surreptitiously recorded the entire incident. And it has now gone viral.

Now, as a strict civil libertarian, I have no problem in principle with a business owner refusing to serve anyone he chooses not to serve. But that’s never really been an option since the Civil Rights Act of 1965. And contrariwise, I have no problem with that right being abridged, if only for the sake of civic comity.

That being said, we now know that there have been Christian bakers, florists, wedding-planners, whatnot, who have refused to sell their services for so-called gay weddings. Not once were these vendors as hateful as the charming fellow in the video below. Regardless, they have had so much contumely poured upon them that you would have thought they had perpetrated another Holocaust. Some have lost their livelihoods.

My question: will those same people who came to the aid of homosexual patrons of these establishments do the same for these Evangelicals who were treated so horribly? And as for our Orthodox friends over at The Wheel and other venues further to the left (I’m looking at you Stan and Inga), will they condemn this rabid person who blasphemed in ways I can’t even imagine our Lord and Savior?

Seems to me that our Christian brothers who are “anti-bigotry” have a choice to make.

The question is: will they? Frankie? [Crickets.]

[Caution: this video is most unpleasant.]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/10/07/video-gay-coffee-shop-owner-shouts-profanities-at-christian-pro-life-group-kicks-them-out/

Comments

  1. Fr. Harry Linsinbigler says:

    George, no offense, but this video is not shocking at all. We have been well past this point for at least several years. For crying out loud, a crucifix drowned in “gay” urine was a piece of art two decades ago (I may be off on my timing, but the point is still there). It is a joke that we had a book called “slouching toward Gomorrah” in the 80’s. The book was outdated by two decades. We already were Gomorrah in the late 60’s when teens were holding up devil-horns (finger shapes) at rock concerts after taking part in anonymous orgies.

    We are sooo far past all of that. Sodom and Gomorrah were not burned to the ground the day they started having gay/”mixed” orgies and raping young people. God gave them time to repent. And when they sought to rape their very Creator because He appeared as youths, and less than 10 stood against it, it was time to purge.

    • George Michalopulos says:

      I hear you Fr. In my defense, I do remember Serrano and his “art” but that caused an outrage. It was also somewhat depersonalized. In the video, we see a man screaming –not merely obsceneties–but the desire to perform an act upon our Lord and Savior Himself. I mean, how satanic is that?

      I guess we shouldn’t be surprised. After all, in his polemic against what St Paul said about homosexuality, Frank Schaeffer summed up his argument thusly: “Screw St Paul!”.

    • Wow! Fr. Harry assumes anyone doing the devil horn participated in orgies. Further research on the ‘devil horns’ reveals the history is actually to ward off evil spirits. Perhaps the most well known modernnuser of the ‘devil horns’ was Ronny Dio. Dio said his grandma used it to ward off evil. One Dio song is ‘Hungry for Heaven’. The sign does not signify love for the devil; sorry.

      • I’m more curious about the literature. It had bloody rainbow hands and an aborted fetus, which implies gays are to blame for abortion.

        I think more than a gay guy might have booted them for leaving that on a post outside or scattered in his shop.

        His explanation was really bad, but he said you don’t tolerate me; likewise.

        Other than that, would a Christian take offense to tying abortion and homosexuality symbolically? I don’t recall where in the Bible it said ‘enjoin the sinners’ so they will all repent. Or enjoin the sinners so your podium is bigger and the self righteous will applaud you more.

        Of course, a picture of rainbow hands representing gays and a bloody aborted fetus are not to blame. Just a gay guy making coffee for people.

        And you wonder…

        Sad

  2. George, I plead guilty to cowardice. I don’t go near the gay lobby with a ten foot pole. That’s a part of the culture war that I stay as far away as possible. In fact, I’m so cowardly in that area, that on facebook, I congratulated my gay nephew on his engagement to his male partner. I stay out of people’s bedrooms. These people will destroy your career and your life.

    • George Michalopulos says:

      That’s kind of the point, isn’t it Cyprian? I’ve labored under the suspicion that the LGBT movement is the tip of the spear in the coming persecution of the Church. (It’s pretty much in beta stage right now, having been temporarily derailed by Trump’s election.)

      • George, If I may just say this: I’m not trolling. These are sincerely held beliefs I have- at the moment. Monk James gave me a lot of food for thought about primacy. I think he is correct in many ways. I have been very confused on that issue. I do love the Orthodox Church although I think there needs to be change. For example, I’m appalled by how much the GOA taxes their parishes. It’s downright confiscatory.

  3. Dionysius Roco says:

    If this would have been so-called ‘Christians’ throwing a homosexual or transsexual out of their coffee shop in such a vulgar manner it would make nightly news and run on CNN and MSNBC hourly. The hypocrisy of leftist America is blatant. The moral apostasy and moral inversion of God’s social order are complete. Now it’s just a matter of time until the persecution begins. People like this will destroy anyone who disagrees with them given the right political climate. I’m hoping to retire in Eastern Europe. Western laws are only going to become increasingly satanic. Homosexuality is so grievous because it is both a sin against natural law and divine law. When law contradicts nature it’s game over. Good and evil and sin and virtue cannot be redefined. If only priests and bishops in America preached like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtAexVHRVBA

    • Dionysius, Perhaps it is a blessing that we live in a country that may persecute us some day. Flee if you wish, but the Kingdom of Heaven awaits the persecuted. Consider Bishop Tikhon’s comment yesterday: “The church grew on persecutions, remember, not expostulations, but through lives grounded in Christ, Holy Tradition, not whining.”

      • George Michalopulos says:

        Dino, I’m coming more and more to the realization that the Orthodox Church will only grow in this country through an active persecution. Lord knows, the ZorbatheGreekist mentality of the GOA and the Best Practices mentality of Syosset haven’t done diddly for American Orthodoxy. Instead, they’ve pretty much driven Orthodoxy into the ground.

        • Dionysius Roco says:

          I wouldn’t leave because of persecution. I simply want to live in a moral and culturally homogonenistic remnant of Christian society. The only place left to do this is in a select few countries in Eastern Europe.

        • Tim R. Mortiss says:

          So, be careful what we wish for. I for one have many grandchildren and hope there will be no “active persecution”.

          Notice I say, hope.

          • George Michalopulos says:

            I certainly don’t want a persecution. What I want and what I need are two different things however.

  4. George,

    It may be just finally sinking in to you that Christianity v. LGBT is zero sum. There is no compromise with it possible at any level. Anything less than social and legal closeting with a social stigma of firm contempt at the abomination will not deter them from aggressively imposing their wickedness as acceptable, even desirable, and will fall short of striking the monster hard enough to get its attention. That is the point of Sodom and Gomorrah – the truly advanced nature of the evil of homosexual sodomy is rarely appreciated these days in Western society. It is much more morally repugnant than adultery and borders on the level of murderous sin. It is, essentially, the murder of a man’s manhood by another man. Just like in the song Bohemian Rhapsody.

    It is no joke and there is a reason that it was punished severely under the Mosaic Law, even by the pagan Norse, and by Christians of earlier ages. They were not wrong at all. It is not just “barbarians at the gate” but a resident evil and a foul wickedness which we have allowed into our habitation.

  5. Vaseili Doukas says:

    And the gay lobby is seeking to take-over the OCA and the GOA. The current hierarchs are letting this happen!

    • Centurion says:

      re: “And the gay lobby is seeking to take-over the OCA and the GOA. The current hierarchs are letting this happen!

      They sure are! They are completely silent publicly about this abomination infecting the culture and their churches.

      They refuse to reprimand and correct many of their priests who are openly preaching and teaching heresy in regards to homosexuality and same-sex couples.

      They preach or write NOTHING beyond their vanilla statements (once every few years) re-iterating the Church position on marriage, sin, and repentance.

      The Church and our society burns, while the bishops fiddle!

  6. After watching the video, I have to admit that the cafe owner identified the line that separates him from his unwelcome guests correctly. When he threatened to boink his boyfriend in the butt in front of them, what he was really saying was that homosexuality is his religion, a religion which they as Christians could not tolerate. Of course the Christians were more magnanimous, their opposition to homosexuality was merely polemical, passing out pamphlets and not even doing that on the owner’s property.

    The owner simply could not tolerate them even being on his property. Polemics were not the issue to him, identity was the issue. He was saying that since they could not allow him to just be that he could not allow them to just be in a place where he had the power to expel them.

    That shows the heart of the matter starkly. Though Christians can tolerate homosexuals in their presence because to Christians homosexuality is merely a sin, homosexuals cannot tolerate Christians in their presence because to them, Christians are heretics. Christian speech and thought cause cognitive dissonance because they conflict with the homosexual phronema. Simply being open about God and Christ is painful to them in a sense just as being confronted with blatant homosexual acts in close proximity causes disturbance to the Christian soul – it’s not just an “ick” factor, but a deep revulsion. That is the nature of abomination.

    Ephesians 6:12:

    “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”

    As I’ve tried to explain regarding feminism and homosexuality, it’s much deeper than materialism. It is psychic and spiritual. Our very spirits contend with diabolical influences like homosexuality on a plane which is invisible to us, yet felt and perceived in some sense.

    I’m not lying about this God-Energy thing. He is real. His Essence is His own conscious power, His Energy manifests itself to us in a myriad of ways far too complex not to have been constructed by a Great Programmer.

    Atheism really is silly. An atheist simply can’t understand what God is up to. That’s why he can’t “accept” His existence. If you want to understand what God is up to, how He feels and acts, look at traditional Holy Orthodoxy. He has revealed Himself to the extent we can bear to know Him.

    You don’t really appreciate how evil a cesspool the United States and Europe have become until you look at the language we use. The politically correct verbiage. PC verbiage is simply a way for demons to feel more comfortable with their wickedness.

    One of the greatest victories the Devil ever accomplished was making “non-sexist” language normative in proper English – i.e., “the pronoun thing”. Previously, the masculine included the feminine. That is commensurate with patriarchy. Making us write and think in newspeak has caused us to give feminism much more credit than it deserves. The source of feminism is the same as that of LGBT rights – that angel of light who refused to venerate man.

    • Estonian Slovak says:

      You keep mentioning feminism. Let’s not forget Hugh Hefner and the Hollywood Left. They bare their share of the blame.

      • Michael Bauman says:

        Ironically, Hugh Hefner and the Hollywood left are part and parcel to what feminism has become. Porn and public nakedness is liberating to women don’t you know. So is “hooking up”. You can always cry rape later .

  7. Bishop Tikhon (Fitzgerald) says:

    It would never happen in North Korea, Russia, Saudi-Arabia, or China. But it would be possible in France, The United KINGDOM, , Germany, Israel , Norway, the Kingdoms of Denmark or Sweden, for example. Expostulations, as Trump is learning, are mostly impotent. Why all these countries have not become Orthodox is a question that needs to be addressed by the Orthodox–blaming others just doesn’t work. The Church grew on persecution, remember, not through expostulations, but through lives grounded in Christ, Holy Tradition, not whining.
    There were no Savonarolas in the Early Church at all.

    • Your second to last sentence, Your Grace, struck me like a rung bell! I hope this whining coward may fall through the cracks, if ever persecuted, and receive mercy from our Heavenly Father into his Kingdom.

    • Peter A. Papoutsis says:

      True that. 100% accurate.

  8. Joseph Lipper says:

    Sometimes it seems that Christians in America want to believe so badly in a delusional way that they are being persecuted for the sake of the Gospel, when in fact they are really just being persecuted for their own stupidity, for their own lack of love and sensitivity to others, for their own arrogance, and for their own pride.

    The idea that Christianity is persecuted in America rings hollow and is offensive to those Christians who actually are being persecuted. Look at the persecution of Christians in China and Saudi Arabia. That’s persecution. Americans just like to make up excuses for themselves and complain.

    Kim Davis in Kentucky is often used as an example of a Christian in America who was jailed for her Christian beliefs. However, she wasn’t jailed because of her Christian beliefs, but rather because she purposely broke the law. If she didn’t want to do her job because of a conflict with her religious beliefs, then she had every legal right to resign from her job at a moment’s notice, and after resigning she could have then legally sued the state of Kentucky for religious discrimination.

    Christians having the legally protected right to sue the government for religious discrimination? Now, THAT would never happen in China or Saudi Arabia.

    • George Michalopulos says:

      You’re missing the point. Two points actually.

      The first point is that the examples you cited are harbingers of a coming persecution. Of this I wholeheartedly believe. You must remember, that the majority of the persecution meted out to the first Christians was onerous legal restrictions and/or requests. The last, great persecution (which took place under Diocletian) started out when Diocletian ordered his governors and prefects to make the pastors of the various churches “hand over” (traditore) their sacred texts, nothing more. Many chose to play cute and hand over books that were heretical or non-canonical and believe it or not, some escaped arrest by this stratagem. Others were arrested, tortured and fed to the lions. All were persecuted regardless.

      Having said that, the imprisonment of Kim Davis and the expulsion of the Evangelical patrons are types of persecution in and of themselves. Kim Davis spending five nights in jail for her religious beliefs is a text book example of persecution pure and simple.

      The second point is that whenever some other person or group of people who are not Christian and/or are not suffering because of their Christian belief-system receive the exact same type of treatment that was meted out to Kim Davis and the Evangelical patrons, the popular culture immediately jumps to the fore and yells “Persecution!” at the top of their lungs. This is hypocritical. If Martin Luther King was persecuted (and I believe he was) then so was Kim Davis. There is no logical difference.

      The left can’t have it both ways. If blacks are being refused service at a restaurant or are forced to drink from a “Colored” water fountain and the good-thinkers think this is persecution, then so it is for those Evangelical patrons.

      It’s really that simple.

      • Joseph Lipper says:

        George,

        If Kim Davis had resigned from her position for reasons of religious freedom and freedom of conscience, then I believe she could have sued the state of Kentucky with a much better case.

        If she had not broke the law and just simply resigned, then she also wouldn’t have been targeted by a civil lawsuit. There’s no one to blame but herself for the civil lawsuit against her.

        Instead she chose to break the law, and she was rightfully jailed for it. Of course, even though she was jailed for five days, she got her job back. She’s still serving as the Rowan County clerk, a position she was elected to serve by the Democratic party, but now she has since changed her personal political affiliation as being Republican. Her office still releases same-sex marriage certificates, but now the state of Kentucky just doesn’t ask her to sign them.

        That doesn’t sound like persecution at all. There’s a BIG DIFFERENCE between actually being persecuted and just having a persecution complex.

        There’s also more to the Seattle coffee house story than what your link to Breitbart News is reporting. Breitbart is not showing the whole video, just the edited part that the Evangelical group wants you to see, and Breitbart is also not telling both sides of the story.

        I’m not a big fan of Huffington Post, but at least they are presenting the coffee shop owner’s side of the story which in all fairness should be included:

        https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/seattle-coffee-shop-anti-choice-activists_us_59dbd39de4b0b34afa5b77d9

        “I know Christians, and they don’t confront people in the street, or in a place of business,” he said. “They certainly don’t print out a bunch of hate messages and fold them up like pretty butterflies and leave them in parks for kids to find. There’s the crime in this story ― what did that cost Seattle to clean up, I wonder?”

        “We have religious organizations that meet here regularly,” he said. “These people were not thrown out for being Christian. I’ve been so clear about that. This removal was very focused on this group, or any group like them.”

        He continued, “They were put out because they print ugly crap and hand it out in my town, period. I would have thrown out a group that tried to print ugly crap about Christians, too. Trying to stir up hate and discontent is not how to fix things.”

        “Nothing gets erased by apologies, just words. My words are out there, on video… I have to stand by them, they’re mine,” he told HuffPost. “[I hope that people] take away that we don’t hate Christians, we don’t even hate anti-abortionists. It’s these groups that picket funerals, and blow up clinics, and paint swastikas. These are the groups who can’t meet here.”

        • George Michalopulos says:

          OK, let’s try a thought experiment. Replace the word “Christian” with the word “Jew” or “Moslem” in everything you or I have written about Kim Davis. The screaming and caterwauling would be incessant. The ADL would be yelling “persecution!” at the top of their lungs. Chris Matthews would be spewing spittle with his invective every night on Hardball.

          You get the picture?

      • Peter A. Papoutsis says:

        Yes, it really is that simple and NOT delusional.

        Peter A Papoutsis

      • Nate Trost says:

        George Michalopulos wrote
        Kim Davis spending five nights in jail for her religious beliefs is a text book example of persecution pure and simple.

        Utter nonsense. Kim Davis did not spent time in jail as a private citizen on the basis of her religious beliefs. Kim Davis spent time in jail for literally violating the separation of church and state in her government office.

        Kim Davis unchecked, is not religious freedom, but religious tyranny.

        • George Michalopulos says:

          Nate, you totally don’t have a clue as to the meaning of persecution. Who says only private citizens can be persecuted and not civil magistrates? My namesake (St George) was a tribune in the Roman army when he was persecuted.

          • Nate Trost says:

            I shouldn’t have to explain to you why your patron saint is a poor example, and your fundamental deficiency in delineating between persecution for beliefs and consequences for actions in an official capacity in violation of law and oath of office.

            I mean, by your logic, an equally textbook case would be a DA who believes in an ancient religion incorporating human sacrifice, and as his office declines to prosecute any homicide cases and they get persecuted for it! Oh the religious persecution!

  9. I read an article by some guy in the The Federalist about how Russia is responsible for the declining standards in American journalism:

    (http://thefederalist.com/2017/10/10/u-s-media-help-russia-destabilize-united-states/)

    and I just have to remark about the stupidity of a certain line of criticism I hear far too much of in the West, even among those calling themselves “conservatives”. That is the notion that America is the world’s sovereign and that our journalists have some authority to challenge and attempt the destabilization of foreign governments by virtue of this Western universal sovereignty and the ubiquitous, objective nature of what we call human rights and democratic norms.

    This is a misreading of the self understanding of those who do not share the Western feminist, secular humanist mindset, especially the leadership of non-Western regimes which do not aspire to our version of liberal democracy. They simply reject the West’s moral imperialism and interference in their chosen way of life and political expressions.

    This can most clearly be seen in the Russian attitude toward those allegedly waxed by the Putin regime: Magnitsky, Litvenenko, Politskaya, as well as the exiled oligarch Khodorkovsky. Essentially, the sentiment is that if you come at the Russian leadership in cohoots with Western NGO’s attempting to destabilize, discredit the government pursuant to the objective of regime change, you deserve whatever hell is reigned down upon you for interfering in the internal affairs of the Russian nation on behalf of foreign sovereigns and ideologies.

    I must admit I share this contempt and do not weep for such people. In a clash of civilizations where liberal democracies have increasingly been on the side of evil secular humanistic social policies, such misguided crusaders really ought to expect that the Russian leadership will defend itself. The same with Assad in Syria, which is admittedly a more pronounced and egregious example, but which carries the same lesson. This belief that liberal democracy has the right to overthrow illiberal regimes by right of moral superiority really out to be rejected in the harshest manner necessary.

  10. Joseph Lipper says:

    Where will she go next…maybe Russia?

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/kim-davis-fights-gay-marriage-in-romania/article/2637091

    Kim Davis fights gay marriage in Romania

    by Steven Nelson | Oct 10, 2017

    Kim Davis, the Kentucky county clerk jailed for five days in 2015 for refusing to issue same-sex marriage licenses, is touring Romania in support of a campaign to block legal recognition of such unions there.

    The group Liberty Counsel, which represented Davis when she vaulted into the national spotlight, says Davis and the group’s vice president of legal affairs, Harry Mihet, are touring the Eastern European country to discuss the effects of same-sex marriage in the U.S.

    Davis, who remains Rowan County’s clerk, was jailed for contempt after refusing to issue marriage licenses in compliance with the Supreme Court’s decision in Obergefell v. Hodges, which made it legal for gays and lesbians to marry in every state. Her office now issues licenses without her signature.

    Davis and Mihet will be in Romania for nine days, according to a Liberty Counsel press release.

    The pair, according to the press release, “are holding conferences in Romania’s largest cities, including Bucharest, Cluj, Sibiu, Timisoara and Iasi. Their message is simple and based upon the recent lessons learned in the United States: same-sex ‘marriage’ and freedom of conscience are mutually exclusive, because those who promote the former have zero tolerance for the latter.”

    The tour comes as the U.S. Supreme Court weighs the right of religious business owners to object to serving same-sex ceremonies in a case brought by a Colorado baker. Some states have anti-discrimination laws saying businesses cannot deny service based on sexual orientation.

    Romania does not currently recognize same-sex marriage, nor does any neighboring country. Liberty Counsel says Davis and Mihet, however, are supporting a petition drive requesting a referendum to add a same-sex marriage ban to the nation’s constitution.

    Davis and Mihet, who is originally from Romania, have met with Orthodox church leaders, members of the country’s parliament and are giving “numerous television and radio interviews,” according to the release.

    After Davis refused to issue same-sex marriage licenses, citing “God’s law” as her reason, it emerged that she personally has been married four times to three different men.

    Holly Meade, a spokeswoman for Liberty Counsel, said that rather than hypocrisy, Davis’ personal history shows “the amazing grace of God to use someone like that” and that “her past is forgiven.”

  11. George Michalopulos says:

    Here’s another thing that would never happen in Russia (or anywhere else for that matter):
    a killer-clown-Satanist-drag-queen reading stories to kindergartners:

    https://pjmedia.com/parenting/demonic-clown-drag-queen-story-time-michelle-obama-public-library/

    • Actually speechless! If I was not warned and surprised, by such a guest at my library, my Christian peace loving patience would be broken. That manbitch would have broken horns. Think of the nightmares some of those poor children had.

  12. Google (Marco Polo Sineurabia) to understand the Turks as the Magog horde repelled by Alexander the Great at the Derwent gates of Armenian Caucasus, and the Romans as sharing the volpomammic birth myth of the Turks and American Indians, hence supressing us. Then refer to the brilliant study compiled by my son https://sites.google.com/site/juntatruth/