Fr. Alexander Webster: Open Letter to the Ethics Committee of the Metropolitan Council, Orthodox Church in America

Fr. Alexander F. C. Webster

Archpriest Alexander Webster Ph.D. of the Orthodox Church in America (OCA) recently filed an ethics complaint against Mark Stokoe, the editor of OCANews.org and member of the OCA Metropolitan Council, a governing body of the OCA.

The complaint concerns the publication of stolen emails from former OCA priest Fr. Joseph Fester, the confidential correspondence of Met. Jonah, and the private correspondence of retired Bishop Nikolai (Soraich) on his personal blog. Fr. Webster argues that Mr. Stokoe’s actions violate the OCA Best Practice Principles that require “the highest standards of honesty and integrity…in the conduct of their duties.”

Fr. Webster makes clear in the complaint that Mr. Stokoe’s ethical violations occurred not in his role as editor of OCANews.org but as a sitting member of the Metropolitan Council.

The Ethics Committee refused to act on his complaint. Fr. Webster responds below.

The timeline of the complaint process with supporting documents:

1. May 15, 2011, First Letter to the Ethics Committee (pdf here).
2. May 23, 2011, Second Letter to the Ethics Committee (pdf here).
3. June 9, 2011, Confidential Reply by the Ethics Committee – no signatures (pdf here).
4. August 3, 2001, Open Letter to the Ethics Committee (copied below, pdf here).

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An Open Letter to the Ethics Committee of the Metropolitan Council,

Orthodox Church in America

August 3, 2011
Holy Protomartyr Razhden of Georgia
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Dear Members of the Ethics Committee:

Christ is in our midst!

The troika of contemporary principles—transparency, accountability, and collegiality—that ostensibly undergirds the organizations and operations of the Orthodox Church in America (OCA) is not, unfortunately, evident in the way the Ethics Committee (EC) of the OCA’s Metropolitan Council (MC) has addressed my two letters of petition regarding Mr. Mark Stokoe’s position on the MC. To be sure, your official reply is courteous, empathetic, and collegial. I am grateful for that. Please forgive me if, despite my intentions, I fail to display a similar spirit and tone in this public missive. I have chosen this course because the issue has already dragged on for months with no just resolution in sight, and I believe it is time for the entire OCA to know the depths of the problem.

The following chronology of events should demonstrate that I have proceeded in the present task quietly behind the scenes, as it were, through the proper channels, methodically, and with all due respect and patience.

  • After Mr. Stokoe published excerpts of private, confidential e-mail correspondence between Fr. Joseph Fester and retired Bishop Nikolai (Soraich) on his “OCANews” website on May 1, 2011, under the sinister headline, “The Forces Behind +Jonah,” I began immediately to consult with fellow archpriests, other clergy, and laity whose insights and wisdom I have respected for years. When I heard many downplay or even justify Mr. Stokoe’s actions in the name of expediency or the very unOrthodox faux morality of the “lesser evil,” I took the initiative to call Fr. Ted Bobosh, chairman of the MC’s EC, to learn how to file an ethics complaint against Mr. Stokoe. The process was simple—a formal letter—but the criteria quite narrow. An ethics complaint against a sitting member of the MC has to be grounded explicitly in the MC’s own internal documents: the OCA Best Practice Principles and Policies for Financial Accountability (December 31, 2008) and the OCA MC Council Member’s Handbook (December 2009). Neither provides much more than universal ethical standards such as the classic virtues of “honesty” and “integrity,” a general invocation of living one’s life “in accordance with the Gospel,” and a more modern emphasis on “openness,” which is, I suppose, a synonym for the even more contemporary concept of “transparency.” Nothing in either document approaches the more exacting requirements for holding office on the parish council in what I gather is the typical OCA parish. That rather thin fare notwithstanding, I submitted my first letter to the EC via e-mail attachment on May 15, 2011, requesting that the EC “recommend that His Grace Bishop Matthias remove for cause Mr. Mark Stokoe as the lay representative of the Midwest Diocese” to the OCA’s MC. [See the full text of that document here.].
  • When Mr. Stokoe decided on May 20, 2011, to up the ante on “OCANews” by publishing under the title, “Jonah in His Own Words,” Metropolitan Jonah’s “draft agenda and opening talk” for the special meeting of the Holy Synod of Bishops of the OCA scheduled in February in Santa Fe, New Mexico—a document that Mr. Stokoe admitted on his website was “shared . . . with his small circle of intimates” on the eve of the meeting—I concluded that Mr. Stokoe would stop at nothing if he could so brazenly publicize a confidential communication from the Metropolitan himself that obviously was not intended for public display. Accordingly, I sent a second letter of complaint to the EC on May 23, 2011, urging you “to act quickly and decisively before Mr. Stokoe publishes additional purloined communications with the patina of respectability that membership on the Metropolitan Council affords.” The crux of the moral argument was this: “Whether or not Mr. Stokoe’s motives or intentions are honorable, the means he has chosen to accomplish those ends are, by any Orthodox teleological assessment, needlessly harmful to the privacy and personal dignity of the targets of his hostility and beneath the dignity of a member of the Metropolitan Council.” [See the full text of that document here.]
  • On June 20, 2011, fully five weeks after my initial letter, I finally received the written reply of the EC (dated June 9, 2011) via confidential e-mail attachment. [See the full text of that document here, which Archpriest David Mahaffey, who chaired the EC’s deliberations concerning my letters of complaint, has, after conferring with the rest of the EC, granted permission for me, the only intended recipient, to make available on the present occasion.] Taking one of your suggestions to heart (“We implore you to offer your most excellent assessment to His Grace, Bishop Mathias, as he is better equipped to answer your complaint.”), I immediately, on June 20, 2011, forwarded my two letters of complaint as attachments to an e-mail to His Grace Bishop Matthias, hierarch of the OCA’s Diocese of the Midwest, with a cc. to his diocesan chancellor, Archpriest John Zdinak. To date I have received only one e-mail from Fr. John in response, with no indication of when or how Bishop Matthias will render a decision.
  • In a last-ditch effort to avert a public controversy, I personally implored Mr. Stokoe in a telephone conversation on July 22 to resign quietly from the MC. He adamantly refused to take that noble path and do the right thing. Instead he mockingly asked whether I knew with certainty that neither Metropolitan Jonah nor Fr. Joseph Fester nor retired Bishop Nikolai had forwarded his private, confidential e-mails directly to Mr. Stokoe. There is no hope from that quarter.

The timeline for a decision is crucial with the next semi-annual meeting of the MC scheduled to begin on September 20, 2011. It would be a travesty if Mr. Stokoe were to participate yet again as an honored member of the OCA’s most esteemed clergy-laity body.

With that unhappy prospect looming and to present anew and in more detail the ethical case against Mr. Stokoe’s continued place among those clergy and laymen on whom the Church has vested “honor” and “trust” as “worthy” of the “privilege” of “an invitation to serve” on the MC, I wish to rebut in sequence the seven reasons that the EC presents for rejecting my request and declining to recommend any action concerning Mr. Stokoe.

  1. Though grateful that the EC displayed a generosity of spirit by accepting and investigating my complaint despite your contention in section 1 of your decision that I “do not fall under the category of a qualified respondent,” I am chagrined that you view your mandate as unnecessarily and dangerously circumscribed. If the reference in the OCA’s Best Practice Principles to “employees, supervisors and managers” of the OCA is construed to include only members of the MC, Central Administration (CA), “or others deemed involved with the CA,” then the so-called best practices are hardly worthy of the name. Where is the vaunted transparency and accountability of those Olympian entities within the OCA? Does no other priest, deacon, or layman of the OCA, many of whom may also fit the imported corporate language of employee, supervisor, or manager, have the standing to lodge a complaint, based exclusively on moral or ethical considerations, about a member of the MC who has either been elected by an All-American Council of the OCA or chosen by an OCA diocese specifically to represent the entire OCA or that diocese? If a senior archpriest such as yours truly is not “qualified” by right of ordination or office to question the behavior of anyone on the MC or CA, and, conversely, only those entities may police themselves, then I submit that the OCA has established a dual or even triple administrative “magisterium” where only one, the Holy Synod of Bishops led by the Metropolitan, can claim that prerogative.
  2. The ethical argument in section 1.1 of your decision (reiterated in section 2) is, in a word, surreal. Hastily dismissing any culpability on Mr. Stokoe’s part as the recipient of private, confidential e-mails on a “cloud” account (in this case, Gmail) accessed and forwarded without the knowledge or consent of the principals (namely, Fr. Joseph Fester, retired Bishop Nikolai, and Metropolitan Jonah), the EC decision rests on this astonishing conclusion: “It seems to us that the ethical violation occurred at their transfer, not their destination, and thus the guilty party would be one who accessed them in the first place, without the consent of the authors.” Brothers and sister, why do you feel compelled to choose between guilty parties when both are morally culpable? In American jurisprudence someone who, knowingly and freely, receives and benefits from goods stolen or obtained otherwise illegally may be prosecuted for reception or possession of such goods. Similarly, laws concerning the invasion of privacy protect each American citizen from others who would intrude into his private affairs, publicly disclose embarrassing personal information, or create false adverse publicity about that citizen. I know with certainty neither which third party accessed the private, confidential e-mails in question nor how he or she did so, nor am I competent to speculate about the possible legal ramifications of that action. But I am reasonably certain that none of the three principals identified earlier shared his private, confidential e-mails with Mr. Stokoe. Therefore, Mr. Stokoe obtained those e-mails without the knowledge or consent of the principals. The legal standard is, in any case, lower than the ethical one and tangential, at best, to an ethical argument based on Orthodox moral tradition. Mr. Stokoe’s decision to receive and publish private, confidential e-mails on a cloud account without the knowledge or consent of the principals was an unethical invasion of privacy, a violation of personal decency, and a betrayal of the persons of the principals themselves—in traditional Orthodox moral terms, an intrinsic evil. His motives or ends were irrelevant; the consequences of his action, whether one deems them salutary or unsavory, were irrelevant; the particular circumstances that may have driven him to such a radical action were irrelevant. It is sufficient for a negative moral judgment that the act of publishing the e-mails in question, Mr. Stokoe’s chosen means to his desired end, was, ipso facto, wrong, unjust, unfair, indecent, and immoral—and, therefore, intolerable behavior by any Orthodox Christian, much less those from whom, as the OCA’s own Best Practice Principles insist, “the highest standards of honesty and integrity” are expected “in the conduct of their duties.”
  3. That leads to the third argument in section 1.2 of your decision. The first part of that section is, to put it kindly, disingenuous. Your caveat concerning Bishop Matthias’ sole right to decide the issue is misplaced, an unnecessary deflection from the real issue—namely, whether the EC would fulfill what I thought was your duty to provide an initial assessment of unethical behavior by a member of the MC and make a recommendation to the ultimate decision-making authority. From the outset of my petition process to the EC, I have simply requested that you recommend to Bishop Matthias that he remove Mr. Stokoe from the MC for cause, the sooner the better under the circumstances. What is substantively objectionable, however, is the high wall of separation that your argument attempts to construct between Mr. Mark Stokoe, member of the MC, and Mr. Mark Stokoe, editor of OCANews. Even in less troubled times, Mr. Stokoe’s dual roles since his election to the MC a few years ago would raise the ethical question of a conflict of interest. How can the same person, on the one hand, participate actively in a body empowered by the OCA Statute to make important recommendations and perhaps some decisions in its own right (subject, of course, to ratification by the Holy Synod of Bishops) and, on the other hand, serve as a self-appointed ombudsman for that body, as well as the OCA’s Central Administration and, as we have seen all too painfully vis-à-vis Metropolitan Jonah, the Holy Synod of Bishops and its titular head, the Metropolitan of All America and Canada? In light of the rampant editorializing and ad hominem attacks on certain favorite targets of Mr. Stokoe on his website, I am, to be sure, discounting Mr. Stokoe’s pretense as a “journalist” who merely “reports” the “news” on OCA“News.” The unavoidable, unpleasant reality of that duality is that Mr. Stokoe exploits his exalted role in the OCA as a member of MC to gain credibility for his website, particularly when he claims coyly that he is, through his active participation on the MC, privy to confidential or classified information that he can not disclose, but which he insists, nonetheless, supports his accusations, claims, and other musings. Conversely, Mr. Stokoe frequently dives into the deep end of the OCA pool in a meddlesome way when he pontificates on his website on all manner of issues, practices, organizations, and persons pertaining to the OCA, including the MC and the Holy Synod of Bishops themselves. That bizarre symbiotic commingling of roles and activities becomes especially egregious when he publishes private, confidential e-mails, as he did through the actions that precipitated my letters of complaint, in an obvious attempt to influence the policy, practices, and leadership of the OCA’s highest decision-making bodies, including the MC. With all due respect, I submit that your strict separation of Mr. Stokoe’s dual roles simply crumbles before the evidence.
  4. In section 1.3 of the EC’s decision, you chastise me for not highlighting in boldface in my first letter of complaint the section in the OCA’s Best Practices Principles that reads “in all their dealings with the representatives of the OCA” immediately following “honesty, integrity and openness.” However, while echoing the strained dichotomy between Mr. Stokoe, member of the MC, and Mr. Stokoe, editor of OCANews, you actually undermine your own point. As I argue above, Mr. Stokoe’s moral offense consists precisely in his website’s ill treatment of “representatives of the OCA” in the persons of one senior archpriest and, at the time, dean of the OCA’s St. Nicholas Cathedral in Washington, D.C.; one retired OCA bishop; and the Metropolitan of the OCA. Does public exploitation of a private, confidential document composed by the Metropolitan himself, to cite the most obvious example, not count as personal abuse of a “representative of the OCA”? It is neither prudent nor ethical for the EC to attempt to navigate so deftly between the Scylla and Charybdis of Mr. Stokoe’s symbiotic dual roles. Moreover, the absence of complaints from “any member of the MC, Central Administration or related entities” is irrelevant to my petition, which stands on its own merits. Why would the EC decide “to accept and investigate” my complaint in the first place if you had already dismissed it for lack of corroboration by members of the “entities” enumerated above?
  5. The main point in section 1.4 of the EC’s decision suggests to me that you misconstrued my quotation of the expectation, according to the MC’s Council Member’s Handbook , that MC members should “live in accordance with the Gospel.” With all due respect, members of the EC are, individually or collectively, free to infer something about Mr. Stokoe’s personal behavior that ought, perhaps, to be under the purview of his confessor or bishop alone. However, I pointed specifically to the evangelical norm cited, happily, in the Handbook as additional grounding for the following contention in the penultimate paragraph of my first letter of complaint: “Mr. Stokoe’s public action was gratuitous, mean-spirited, unfair, indecent, unethical, lacking moral integrity, and directly opposed to the ethos of the Gospel—a clear abuse of the ‘trust’ placed in him and a flagrant disregard for the ‘highest standards’ of service on the Metropolitan Council.” The “public action” to which I refer in that sentence was Mr. Stokoe’s publication of the private, confidential e-mail correspondence in question. If the EC wishes to tilt at windmills of your own devising, I shall not stand in your way.
  6. Yet another artificial, forced dichotomy appears in the penultimate paragraph of the EC’s decision: “Best Practices” as a “duty-based guide for ethical behavior” versus “virtue-based ethics, which lies more in the control of the hierarchs than with us.” As an Orthodox moral theologian who consistently seeks to apply to contemporary ethical questions, both personal and communal, the Orthodox moral tradition in all its majesty and richness—including the fundamental teleological method of aligning virtuous means to virtuous ends—I would never eschew “virtue-based ethics” as the sole domain of the hierarchs. As our apostolic archpastors, the bishops are invested with the primary teaching and preaching ministry of the Church. But is it not incumbent also upon us lower clergy and laity to seek to maximize virtue and minimize the passions, vice, and sin in our lives and our societies? Moreover, the very phrasing of the passages that I quote from the OCA’s Best Practice Principles in my letters of complaint is redolent of “virtue-based ethics”—namely, virtues such as “honesty” and “integrity” that are expected to govern MC members’ “conduct of their duties.” Why would you attempt to separate what even the key “best practices” document of the MC obviously does not?
  7. Finally, the EC’s decision concludes on what I presume is an unintended sour note. I could say that it includes a gratuitous parting shot about “free speech,” but I shall instead submit that you construct another irrelevant straw-man argument that fails to address my own case against Mr. Stokoe’s continued participation on the MC. In neither of my letters of complaint nor any conversation in which I have engaged with any member of the EC, MC, CA, or Holy Synod of Bishops have I advanced the notion that OCANews ought to be censored or shut-down by anyone. I have, on the contrary, throughout my entire adult life extolled freedom of the press, freedom of speech, and freedom of conscience as hallmarks of Western Civilization and the American experience in particular. Mr. Stokoe is, accordingly, like any other American who seeks to influence others, free legally to publish whatever he wishes on OCANews or any other venue as long as he does not transgress the laws pertaining to libel, theft, or invasion of privacy. Whether Mr. Stokoe has acted illegally in the present matter is not for me to determine. However, what ought to be self-evident by now is that he cannot, while serving as a member of the OCA’s MC, use his website with impunity to abuse the personal dignity and privacy rights of anyone in the OCA, much less high-level OCA leaders such as Metropolitan Jonah, retired Bishop Nikolai, or Archpriest Joseph Fester. Mr. Stokoe cannot have his website and his seat on the MC, too.

Of course, the ultimate decision in this matter rests with Mr. Stokoe’s bishop. If there is one thing on which the EC and I can agree wholeheartedly, it is our mutual hope and prayer that Bishop Matthias will render a just and swift decision.

Yours in Christ,

Fr. Alexander F. C. Webster

V. Rev. Fr. Alexander F. C. Webster, PhD
Chaplain (Colonel), U.S. Army Reserve (Retired)

Comments

  1. Heracleides says:

    Perhaps an outpouring of emails urging Bishop Matthias to “…render a just and swift decision” regarding Stokoe’s ethics violations and the need for his removal from the MC might be beneficial. The bishop may be contacted at: monkmatthias@hotmail.com

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  2. Athanasia says:

    Fr. Mahaffey’s response, for the Committee, seems so typical of him. When put against a wall, he slides down it rather than using it to bolster his stance. And to think, he wants/wanted to be a Bishop.

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    • George Michalopulos says:

      Athanasia, I think we should refrain from jumping to conclusions about Fr David’s intentions. I don’t know the man personally but some priests who I very much respect have told me that he’s very much a stand-up kind of guy.

      Fr Webster’s complaint has drawn significant blood on the MC and sources in that body tell me that it is in complete disarray.

      Also, Bp +Matthias’ recent sermon, and the fact that he had all his priests read it aloud from the pulpit, is a complete repudiation of the Arida/Bobosh/Vinogradov Doctrine of “Tolerance.”

      I’d say that none of the Stokovites believed that things would be spinning out of their control like this. Think of it: they couldn’t get rid of +Jonah, they couldn’t silence the newer bishops from preaching the Gospel, the MC is flustered about what to do with an ethics complaint, the ROC has warned the Stokovites what will happen to them if they persist, the “DC Nuns” which are so worrisome to Melchisedek are still in DC, Fr Joseph Fester has been released to another jurisdiction where he is immune from their depredations, Garklavs has been removed as Chancellor, and Bp Mark has been kicked out of Dallas and lost all chance of sitting on the Holy Synod.

      We could also say that MS has become the issue –whether he’s going to be removed or not re-nominated–is now openly being discussed.

      All in all not a bad day’s work if you ask me.

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      • CodeNameYvette says:

        This is not a fight of our choosing, meaning those of us who adhere to the timeless teachings of the Orthodox Church. Nonetheless, fight we shall, to the end. The battle is many years overdue. If we are defeated, we can bless the Lord for the pesky divisions among our jurisdictions, which means that we have many ports in the storm.

        I feel very sorry for those who will be astonished when the storm breaks about them. I rejoice in those who rise to the challenge. And I think how very little is expected of us, even priests who risk losing pensions and salaries. As severe as these losses are, they are a far cry from the arena and the gulag. Nonetheless we must take care to rally around any clergy who suffer for the truth in this battle.

        I’d sure like to think that there is something analogous to WWII’s “Sleeping Giant” in the OCA. We are about to find out.

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        • Katherine says:

          If we are defeated this time, I’m not going anywhere. I believe that God expects us to stay and continue to fight. Also, all jurisdictions have their own scandals (I’ve been Orthodox for over 10 years now, and every jurisdiction has had its scandals during that time). If we jump to other jurisdictions everytime there is a scandal and maybe even a temporary defeat of the correct side, we are quickly going to run out of jurisdictions to join. I think God expects us to stay and fight til He insures that the right side wins. Victory happens in God’s own time, and sometimes I think He delays it to see whether we are going to stick with it and not give up.

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          • CodeNameYvette says:

            I’d agree with you, Katherine, but only up to the point where they fall into heresy. At that point we must flee. And don’t ask me how to define that point, except to say that in my opinion the OCA is perilously close, from New Skete and its Romanisms to the Bobosh Brigade of modernist priests who wink and nod.

            Feeling confident in one’s own parish only works for Protestants.

            I’m prepared to be talked out of this opinion but that’s how I see it.

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          • So much drama! It’s exhausting.

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      • Katherine says:

        George, can any of your sources say whether or not Fr. Ted Bobosh took part in the EC’s decision on this or whether he excused himself from participating considering the fact that he is Mark Stokoe’s priest?

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  3. another anon says:

    This is a very serious matter and it needs to be addressed. I think that members of the OCA should be enraged by the behavior of Mark Stokoe, and they should rise up in arms to make sure that he is not on the MC. This man, with his machinations against Metropolitan Jonah, has led the crusade against Metropolitan Jonah, and now the introduction of the homosexual issue into Orthodox conversations is helping to create more disunity. When I look back on his early efforts to discredit people in the Church, I can’t help but wonder how many of those efforts were “misguided.” Ironic that the man he maligned, Metropolitan Philip, looks more sensible and far thinking every day while the OCA the jurisdiction which many Orthodox believed would save Orthodoxy in America is now tottering on the brink of disaster. What a terrible situation for so many priests and laity alike. In the long run, God’s justice will prevail.

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  4. I first want to say that I really appreciate Fr. Alexander’s bravery in taking the initiative to file this complaint.

    OCAT made a good point about not giving more authority to the ethics committee than they are supposed to have. However, it says something to me that they are not willing to speak up about the blatant abuse of power committed by an MC member. Apart from the issues surrounding how the emails were obtained, there is something horribly wrong with someone using false and abusive editorials in order to undermine a hierarch’s leadership. The fact that this person is involved in church governance makes it even more grave.

    Anyway, we also have to remember that the evidence implicating Bishop Mark hasn’t been made public. All that is publicly known is the anecdotal evidence that Bishop Mark admitted to accessing Fr. Joseph’s account and forwarding the emails. So, I hope Parishioner has something more solid to back that up. The ethics committee apparently thinks that the email thief is the only culpable party. If the email thief is not conclusively identified, then the committee has successfully buried the issue.

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    • Jesse Cone says:

      The MC should speak up. Stokoe’s behavior is indefensible, and Fr. Alexander has done a marvelous job explaining why. The solution here is people, not procedure. I’ve never been part of the MC, so I don’t know how hard/ appropriate it is to bring up issues candidly there, but if nothing else the MC members should speak up when they see the MC over-reaching itself.

      As for Bp. Mark’s involvement in the emails, I suggest you ask him.

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      • The MC should speak up. Stokoe’s behavior is indefensible, and Fr. Alexander has done a marvelous job explaining why. The solution here is people, not procedure. I’ve never been part of the MC, so I don’t know how hard/ appropriate it is to bring up issues candidly there, but if nothing else the MC members should speak up when they see the MC over-reaching itself.

        Absolutely, Jesse – but I think the current MC is part of the problem, not the solution. It is screamingly obvious that Stokoe has been abusing his position, but there has been no movement at all within the council to sack him. By comparison, they got rid of Dr. Alice Woog quite quickly after the SIC report came out.

        As for Bp. Mark’s involvement in the emails, I suggest you ask him.

        I’ve heard he’s freely admitted to using Fr. Fester’s email account, but it would be nice to see him go on the record.

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        • He’s already on the record as having done so. I’ve documented it already from three sources in Dallas who confronted him personally when the story was breaking. He confirmed it because he didn’t think that he had done anything wrong, that “his lawyers” told him that he was acting legally.

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  5. Mark Stokoe’s term on the MC is up in September. Let’s all pray that those present at the Midwest Diocesan Assembly (to be held in Seattle on October 31) do not elect him to another term.

    While some might say it’s not worth it to boot Mark Stokoe from the MC given his term is up next month, I’d like to see it done for the principle of the thing.

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    • Exactly, Marie. It’s not fitting to let Stokoe’s term expire without addressing the serious moral issues involved in his actions as an MC member. If members of Congress were caught trying to discredit the President using lies, email leaks, and abusive editorial language, the only people who would be content with letting the conspirators leave office quietly would be political allies interested in saving face.

      I wish I lived in the Midwest; I’d get a campaign going, “HELL NO TO STOKOE!”

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    • Harry Coin says:

      Just letting his term expire and appoint someone else– Just fine by me. The reason is: I’m not sorry people, including me, knows about what Mark revealed. I think in the long view the church will have been better off for having seen this ‘sausage being made’. It’s very instructive about what a corrosive atmosphere can do to good people in it long enough.

      The climate ‘at the top’ has to change — the only way that’s going to happen is to jettison acceptance of a culture of ‘looking the other way’ at un-repented, ongoing misdoing.

      Every decision– who stays, who takes a breather, who gets appointed, what leaders give people to see, what they write and how they vote– every decision has got to be measured by: Will this best lead to passing along the value we’ve been given to more people? That’s the standard people need to care about, all the time, first after keeping one’s own house in order.

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      • Harry, the problem with your view (which I held for too long a time) is that it uses immoral ends to pursue (sometimes) moral ends. I put the words “sometimes” in parentheses because we don’t always know if the ends were truly moral.

        Using this logic, I can dip my hand in the collection plate, give 90% to some homeless guy and keep 10% for myself.

        What Stokoe has done is morally reprehensible, not just now but often times in the past. Indeed, it is likely that we will have to revisit several of his previous personal jihads.

        I don’t chide you for falling into this trap, but the fact that several Orthodox priests have bought into the “lesser evil” form of getting business done shows me that we need to revisit the curricula at some of our seminaries. We need to find out if they teach ethics there. Personally, I would rather have a priest who understands (and practices) Christian ethics than somebody who can lecture me about Theodoret of Mopsuestia.

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        • CodeNameYvette says:

          I agree with George. Everything Stokoe has ever done is just overripe fruit from a poisoned tree. He operated with an agenda from the get-go. There is nothing wrong with a layman having an agenda, as long as it is clearly disclosed — but on the contrary, he postured as an objective voice of truth right up until recently when his machinations were exposed.

          When the police later find out that someone with an agenda was fiddling around in the evidence room, all the convictions have to be thrown out.

          All these years later what do we really know about what happened under the previous Metropolitans? About where the missing money went? About who turned a blind eye or deaf ear to what misdoings and why?

          Bupkiss.

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          • Harry Coin says:

            If we have the right to expect blog authors publish all true and important things they come to know of– you have a point. I’m sure in the case standards aren’t met George and Fr. Hans and Mark Stokoe would be pleased to refund to us all the money we paid for them to get stories posted correctly and promptly, all the time, no matter the subject, whether it suited their agenda or not.

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            • Harry, you’re completely stretching analogies, comparisons, etc. Fr Hans and myself run blogs that are polemic at times and apologetic at others. I also do straight newsstories every now and then. Therefore you know my agenda. We’ve proven on more than one occasion that we’re both far more honest and forthright than OCANews, which regularly censors or even comments, refrains from printing stories that don’t fit its author’s worldview, etc.

              The fact that Stokoe continues to pull the wool over the eyes of many AND to have executive and legislative power within the Church AND can make bishops dance to his tune, is what’s the real tragedy here.

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              • It might be worth mentioning that this Sunday of the Transfiguration, the bishop made it mandatory for all of his priests in the diocese of the Midwest to read His Grace’s pastoral letter from the pulpit. My priest then elaborated in a wonderful, charitable, but no-holds-barred sermon on the truth of His Grace’s words.

                Hopefully he will follow that up with at least making sure that Mark does not make the cut for delegate to the Metropolitan Council.

                Also, if anyone is in the OCA Diocese of the Midwest and your priest did not read this from the pulpit, either he is in direct disobedience to his bishop (and should be reported to the dean as such) or he doesn’t know how to use email or open a letter. Follow up should be necessary. Let’s push back on this one and make sure that the priests know that we stand with our Bishop and Metropolitan and will not tolerate misconduct from those who God has called to such a high calling.

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                • It might be worth mentioning that this Sunday of the Transfiguration, the bishop made it mandatory for all of his priests in the diocese of the Midwest to read His Grace’s pastoral letter from the pulpit.

                  Where is there record of this requirement?

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            • Mark from the DOS says:

              I don’t think any editor of a blog has a duty to publish everything that comes to him. But he needs to also be honest about the fact that what he chooses to publish or not publish is an editorial decision. A commenter on the OCAN blog accused him of bias and Stokoe response was that it was unthinkable he is biased when he just publishes the words of others . . . but whose words? Nobody can look at the OCANews treatment of same sex unions and say that a balanced objective agenda free approach carried the day. That same bias permeated his campaign against +Jonah. He characterized his reporting as reporting the actions of the HS, but nobody can read those articles with the constant digs at the metropolitan and the total lack of acknowledgement of any merit on the part of +Jonah, and not see the bias. Stokoe preaches openness and transparency, but his blog is the opposite of that. Which is fine, but he needs to be honest about it and not pretend to be shocked by criticisms.

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              • I agree, Mark. Just look at the most recent article about the situation with Fr. Zacchaeus; the bias basically beats you over the head. In it, Stokoe berates the Metropolitan for accidentally forwarding a thread of emails to Fr. Zacchaeus’s lawyer…. Yet Stokoe had no problem whatsoever with receiving emails forwarded from Fr. Joseph Fester’s account, forwarded *on purpose* by someone who had gained unauthorized access, and no problem with publishing said emails without their authors’ permission.

                I wondered if Stokoe was just upset that he wasn’t the one these emails were accidentally forwarded to. Maybe Vladimir Berezansky should make it up to him by publishing the emails on a blog!

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        • Jane Rachel says:

          George wrote:

          but the fact that several Orthodox priests have bought into the “lesser evil” form of getting business done

          That’s why I keep bringing up “the past.” Shoot, I don’t care what dead men “did” and I HATE bringing all that up. Except that what you write is true, George. Several Orthodox priests (and, thereby, thousands of parishioners) have bought into the “lesser form of getting business done.” This is not good for the Church. People accept an idea and a form and then stay within that form no matter what. Whether willfully blind or with eyes open, they lock themselves up in a dark place from the inside, and then steadfastly refuse to unlock the door to their own freedom. The key to freedom is to say, “I was wrong. I’m sorry.” But instead they say “I like it in here.” I’m reminded of the scene with the dwarves in C.S. Lewis’ “The Last Battle.”

          How The Dwarfs Refused To Be Taken In

          Aslan raised his head and shook his mane. Instantly a glorious feast appeared on the Dwarfs’ knees: pies and tongues and pigeons and trifles and ices, and each Dwarf had a goblet of good wine in his right hand. But it wasn’t much use. They began eating and drinkung greedily enough, but it was clear that they couldn’t taste it properly. THey thought they were eating and drinking ony the sort of things you might find in a stable. One said he was trying to eat hay and another said he got a bit of an old turnip and a third said he’d found a raw cabbage leaf. And they raised golden goblets of rich red wine to their lips and said “Ugh! Fancy drinking dirty water out of a trough that a donkey’s been at! Never thought we’d come to this.” But very soon every Dwarf began suspecting that every other Dwarf had found something nicer than he had, and they started grabbing and snatching, and went on to quarreling, till in a few minutes there was a free fight and all the good food was smeared on their faces and clothes or trodden under foot. But when at last they sat down to nurse their black eyes and their bleeding noses, they all said:

          “Well, at any rate there’s no Humbug here. We haven’t let anyone take us in. The Dwarfs are for the Dwarfs.”

          “You see,” said Aslan. “They will not let us help them. They have chosen cunning instead of belief. Their prison is only in their own minds yet they are in that prison; and so afraid of being taken in that they cannot be taken out.”

          Don’t tell us what happened. (We mostly already know, enough smelly goo has been flying around long enough for us to know it’s really, really bad.) But please, if you can and you are a leader, do make it right.

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          • Jane Rachel: fanTAStic metaphor. I fear though that your prophecy means that we Orthodox (priests and laymen) are content –or perhaps will never be able–to discern what divine Food we feast on. For us, the Body and Blood of our Saviour will continue to be misconstrued for souvlaki, pirogi, and shawarma.

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        • Harry Coin says:

          George, ‘fruit of a poisoned tree’ now is it? If this were a court and we had rules of evidence, the ability to investigate over the objections of the targets of the investigation and the point of it all was to decide whether an accused was guilty in order to correctly decide whether to jail or fine them— you’d have a point.

          That isn’t this. More to the point, the people who do have that authority, the police and court system, have not reached the same conclusion you have done.

          What’s in the interest of the purposes of the church? Having people in leadership not give strong appearances of ongoing acting other than the institution sets forth. That’s the standard that counts. Anyone who accepts church position must know people are going to watch their choices to see if this project is all talk or is meant to be lived by those who have their jobs on the basis they model it can be done.

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          • CodeNameYvette says:

            Harry, I’m the one who used the poisoned tree analogy. What I meant by it is this: you and many other Orthodox were convinced a while back that Mark Stokoe performed some great service for the Church when he revealed information on various problems a couple of years ago. I’ll admit as much myself.

            Today I repent of my former opinion and I invite you to think about doing the same. I was far too quick to assume that Stokoe was sincere, truthful, and objective in his comments. I know better now.

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            • Katherine says:

              CodeNameYvette, I totally agree with you. Seeing what Stokoe is pulling now on +Metropolitan JONAH seriously makes me wonder if the events of a few years ago were really true or not, at least if they were anywhere near as bad as what he made them out to be.

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          • Actually, Harry, the people in real “authority” –the NY criminal court system–decided that much of what was alleged to have transpired in one case had no merit at all.

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          • Harry, what “fruit of a poisoned tree” means in this context is that we can no longer assume Stokoe’s motives were ever pure. It’s possible that he’s always told the truth before this incident. However, we are now aware of a situation in which he is clearly not acting in good faith, where there is a clearly discernible agenda and an attempt to distort and selectively report the facts. Therefore, we need to investigate previous conclusions derived from material on his website, and consider how these can be independently verified.

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            • Cathryn Tatusko says:

              I am backtracking a bit, but I’d like to ask Marie how she’s learned that Mark Stokoe’s term is up in September. I’ve looked at the information available on the OCA Web site with reference to the Metropolitan Council, but it’s confusing at best. I don’t see any mention of when individual diocesan delegates were elected, or when their terms end. If anyone can point me to that information, I would greatly appreciate it.

              I agree with those who feel that Fr. Alexander has done the OCA a great service in spelling out how Stokoe has compromised himself ethically. I agree also with those who feel that it would be inappropriate simply to allow his term to end and to prohibit him from being re-elected. This would be roughly akin to giving him an honorable discharge. Stokoe has not acted honorably with respect to the hacked emails. He should be dismissed with cause from the MC immediately, and there should be no question of his being elected to another term.

              I appeal to clergy and lay members of the diocese of the Midwest to do all in your power to influence Bishop Matthias’ decision on this matter. I simply cannot understand how we can take ourselves seriously as Christians and let this egregious behavior go unchecked. For a multitude of reasons, Mark Stokoe does not belong on the Metropolitan Council.

              In Christ,
              Cathy Tatusko

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              • I looked into this a while back, and found that MC members have either three or six-year terms, and can only be re-elected once. I could not find out which kind of term Stokoe is serving, but Marie may have more concrete information on the subject.

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              • How did I know about MS’ term being up in September? I simply asked a priest friend in the Midwest Diocese who was there when MS was elected. It’s a three year term.

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  6. Alexey Karlgut says:

    Reposted from Orthodox Forum:

    Mark Stokoe, the founder and editor of OCANews.org was removed officially today from his positions on the Midwest Diocesan Council and the OCA Metropolitan Council by Bishop Matthias. Mark Stokoe has indicated that he himself will make public the text of the bishop’s letter of removal on OCANews.org

    Alexey Karlgut

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  7. Ten bucks says that Stokoe’s take on this will basically be:

    - Everybody knows Stokoe’s accession to the council was because he revealed the truth about the Kondratick scandal.

    - He was only serving on the councils out of obedience to Archbishop Job.

    - This doesn’t really matter compared to “the truth” (that is, the web of lies that finally got Stokoe in trouble).

    - Bishop Matthias must be allied with the Grand Jonah-Kondratick Conspiracy to have done this, and therefore must be destroyed (or possibly excused, but only for his immaturity as a bishop and the possibility that Met. Jonah manipulated him).

    No, it can’t possibly have anything to do with Stokoe’s blatant abuse of power and authority within the church governance structures, or his being held to account for his own choices in creating scandals and dragging Metropolitan Jonah through the mud.

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    • Jane Rachel says:

      Stokoe says he “did not” seek Archbishop Job’s blessing when he started the web site. I had to laugh when I read that. Of course he didn’t! Now he’s saying that since it was never “blessed” in the first place, he has an excuse to keep it going and still, technically be moral. Same thing with the emails, same thing with the “oikonomia” of taking Communion. He does not *have* to obey his bishop, Bishop Matthias, because in Mark’s self-justifying mind, his bishop is “removing” a non-existent blessing. But when something is as big as ocanews, which affects the whole Church, the blessing is understood whether the bishop makes the sign of the cross over it or not. Archbishop Job was woven into it from the beginning. This means his blessing *was* there. It would make sense that Mark Stokoe would not officially “seek” his blessing, because then his bishop can stay “removed” from whatever Mark writes. This is very tricky hypocrisy with are talking about here.

      Bishop Matthias is speaking as a true bishop, not going by the “letter” but by the spirit of his calling. Mark defiantly says, “NO, Your Grace, I will NOT remove MY Web Site!”

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      • Jane Rachel says:

        A lot of people say that ocanews did a lot of good when it exposed corruption. But for certain, the web site did not bring the facts to the table. If it had brought facts, I would agree, but it didn’t. “The corruption” was not brought into the public eye. People were convinced that what they were reading was true. We now know that what was presented as fact was all too often not true, somehow twisted, and manipulated. So if we go back and read the Chronology of the Scandal, we don’t know what is a presentation of the facts and what isn’t. You can say whatever you want to, but the truth is that OCAnews did not present the facts. The SIC was based on a lot of speculation, lies, manipulation, incomplete, altered documents. We KNOW this. It’s been said before, and I’ll bet the people who have said it would say it under oath. Someone looked at a huge pile of those documents. She was a high ranking New York Judge. She threw the whole thing out. Fr. Kondratick committed no crimes. This alone proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that ocanews did not expose the real corruption that was going on since the nineties. If good came about as a result of the pressure, much bad also came about. Those who cannot see this truth right in front of them have their heads in the sand. From that great song, “The Boxer”: “A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.” The “facts” presented on ocanews stirred up the mob and created more than one lynching. Tell me how that is good. Please, do tell me.

        Leaders, we ask that you continue to clear up the mess and expose the darkness insofar as we can bear it. And that you exonerate the innocent. Thanks.

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    • Pravoslavnie says:

      I hate to be a wet blanket here, but I wish that Bishop Matthias had focused more on Mark Stokoe’s ethical lapses rather than basing his decision on the content and negative impact of his website.

      I support and respect the Bishop’s action to remove Stokoe, but both letters would have carried greater impact for the pro-Stokoe camp, as well as the OCA at large, if he had enumerated the many ethical lapses and abuses of Mark Stokoe in much the same fashion as Fr. Webster did in his complaint to the Ethics Committee. In that respect, both letters missed the point.

      I can’t fault Bishop Matthias for losing his patience and being disgusted by the content of ocanews.org, but my perception is that the general tone of both letters comes off as being written in a fit of pique. Stokoe is already playing the victim by writing that he was dismissed for simply reporting news and letting people have a public forum to air grievances. He now writes that he was surprised by his dismissal and only helped to lead the OCA into an era of transparency and accountability. I’m afraid that nothing will change except that he is no longer on the MC and the Midwest diocesan council. Stokoe may be off the Council, but Stokoe-ism and ocanews.org live on. There are many more reasons behind the dismissal of Mark Stokoe that should have been laid on the table in an official and authoritative fashion.

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      • I totally agree. I also found it somewhat odd not to hear about the good bishop explaining the conflict of interest of a sitting member of the MC ostensibly trying to get rid of the metropolitan while claiming neutrality for both positions, as well as the using of stolen emails to that end. It is a shame that isn’t highlighted as official reason and kudos to Fr. Webster for focusing exclusively on that. Of course, MS plays the victim card since that is what he is good at. Like others, I found it exceptionally weird that he writes about himself in the third person. It really indicated something strange about this guy and his delusions as a “journalist”. What kind of person has a website that is used to defend his unethical actions where he “reports” on himself and writes in the third person? I cannot think of anyone else.

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      • You make several good points, Pravoslavnie. I noticed this, and Bishop Matthias’s previous pastoral letter, seemed to be written in states of high emotion and were not properly proofread. Having, and using, a good assistant would be very helpful for him. I get the feeling that Bishop Matthias was deeply hurt by the implication that he would bless what goes on at OCANews, and struck back as hard as he could. I’ll give Bishop Matthias credit for mentioning Stokoe’s abuse of his position, though: he has drawn blood, but I’m afraid the injury is just a flesh wound. A little more time and consideration could have made it a mortal blow.

        If I were in a position to give Bishop Matthias advice, I would have told him that before sending *any* letters or making any public statements, to quietly arrange to make an immediate pastoral visit to Stokoe’s parish. That would have given him a chance to feel out Fr. Ted Bobosh’s views on the pastoral response to homosexuality and determine whether he is handling things appropriately. While in Dayton, I would have had him arrange a private, face to face meeting with Stokoe. Bishop Matthias could then question Stokoe about how he sees OCANews and his editorial policies. He would also say that he couldn’t help but hear rumors about the living arrangement between Stokoe and Steve Brown, and after calling in Mr. Brown, questioned them both about that. (And in case I get any whining replies from “Breaking the Silence”, Bishop Matthias has every right – even the duty – to ask about that, as their archpastor.)

        Now, assuming the answers would reflect Stokoe’s previous responses on the matter, once leaving Dayton, Bishop Matthias would send a calm, collected, adequately proofread letter back to Stokoe. He’d start by thanking Stokoe for kindly meeting with him, and then say with regret that it is not appropriate for Stokoe to serve on the councils, that he should have never been permitted to serve to begin with, and that he is therefore dismissed. He would not only cite Stokoe’s promotion of false teaching, but also his abusive and unethical behavior, his cruel and hateful treatment of Metropolitan Jonah, as well as the other things he mentioned in the existing letter.

        If he has any smoking guns regarding the homosexuality thing, he would also say that Stokoe is excommunicated until their living arrangement comes to an end and Stokoe repents of his sexual behavior. (He would send a separate letter to Steve Brown.)

        If Bishop Matthias had found any problems with Fr. Ted’s treatment of this couple, Fr. Ted would receive a letter of suspension as soon as Bishop Matthias left town.

        Finally, he would send a letter to the members of the diocesan council and MC informing them of Stokoe’s removal, the cause being his conflict of interest and abuse of authority.

        Also, I would pry the 1 key from Bishop Matthias’s keyboard. Having to press the bubble all the time would make him think twice about using so many exclamation points. :)

        Again, all of that is just my opinion of what I would have asked Bishop Matthias to do if I were in a position to advise him. I’m not trying to overstep my boundaries. That’s all.

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        • George Michalopulos says:

          Nah, +Matthias was right to come out with both barrells blazing. It means he’s not a game-player. It also means he’s a real bishop who takes responsibility for his actions.

          Are there going to be repurcussions for this action? Who cares? It was the right thing to do.

          Enough with the Byzantine gaymes.

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          • I understand, but the Stokovites and the Leonovites will be coming after Bishop Matthias with their guns blazing, and there’s a lot more to this situation than Stokoe publishing a few problematic articles. I just felt like Bishop Matthias could have accomplished more as an unknown quantity.

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      • Jane Rachel says:

        I believe Bishop Matthias thought through what he was going to write and he felt the reason(s) he gave for dismissing Mark was enough. That the bishop is also a loved father, grandfather, and widower goes a long way with me. It takes a lifetime to achieve that status. A lifetime of wise and often difficult struggle. I believe that he thought about stating the other reasons as well, but then decided that one, the “straw that broke the camel’s back” as he said, was enough. That anonymous posting on ocanews was really over the top. It made no sense at all. Why even post it if you don’t have any agenda?

        The sense we get that Bishop Matthias’ letters were written “off the cuff” with exclamation points (two, well-placed for emphasis) was a welcome change from the high language/gobbledygook we often have to wade through. I have in my head an image of those exclamation points: “Your representation on these Councils leaves the impression, whether correct or not, that I approve of your website, and I do not!” What would it look like without the emphasis? Should he have used bold-face? Italics? ALL CAPS!?

        Let’s concentrate on what’s important. The leaders are acting. THANK GOD!!!!!!!!

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        • Mark from the DOS says:

          Well said Jane. My take on what +Matthias did is this. By going the route he went, he basically lays out a premise for the dismissal that is unassailable. If he went with the e-mail publications, the living arrangements or anything else, he leaves himself open to being accused of getting the facts wrong, not knowing the facts or any other factual error. The way the bishop went, people can disagree with his conclusions, but they really can’t fault his factual premises.

          While the passionate part of me wishes there had been an SIC to look into e-mail issue, and put Stokoe in a position of choosing to fight on the facts or resign on his own to avoid the inquiry, this outcome is just fine and much faster.

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          • Jane Rachel says:

            It’s hard to resist quoting Bishop Matthias. He makes me feel better.

            Bishop Matthias wrote,

            In the months that I have been administrator of the diocese and now its archpastor, I have observed the divisivness and the promoting of gossip that your website “Orthodox Christians for Accountability” provides. It is not a healthy vehicle for the Church. It has hampered Pan-Orthodox unity, and it has encouraged those who disrespect the clergy and the Church to express their distain (sic) and sometimes outright hatred for the Church, the hierarchs, the clergy and its faithful.

            As the archpastor of this diocese, I can no longer tolerate the existence of this website being administered by a member of the Metropolitan Council and Diocesan Council. Your representation on these Councils leaves the impression, whether correct or not, that I approve of your website, and I do not!

            I like that a lot. Finally. This is the real reason he removed him. It’s actually very clearly written. But in Stokoe’s reply, Mark avoided what he was told for his own good and the good of the Church. No, the bishop is wrong and I am right, he says. (People who can’t be wrong are so predictable.) He wrote:

            Now I am removed by you, not for my questions, but for simply allowing others to ask theirs. If the past few years in the OCA have taught anything, it is that denying, ignoring, delaying or dismissing those who ask questions does not work.

            Was Mark mistaken, or is he spinning and manipulating? Poor, poor Mark. Mark, the Misunderstood Martyr. Someone once said, “If enough people tell you you have a tail, maybe you’d better turn around and look at it.” Why do people continue to support him? Mark Stokoe was not removed for allowing others to ask questions. He was removed because his bishop cannot continue giving his implicit approval to a representative of his diocese who has a web site that is not a healthy vehicle for the Church. Would the critics of Bishop Matthias’ actions please address the truth and stop being so stubbornly right all the time?

            When you sit on the OCA Councils, representing your diocese, you are under your bishop, and he must approve of your position. As a lay person in the Midwest, I would not want Mark Stokoe representing me!

            Bishop Matthias does not approve of Stokoe’s web site because it is unhealthy for the Church. Stokoe was on the Councils, representing his diocese. Conflict. Resolve conflict, remove Mark Stokoe. Urge him to take down his site. Encourage him. Work to represent all of his sheep. Be a bishop.

            Once again, Stokoe spun that reply like Wormtongue.

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          • My take on what +Matthias did is this. By going the route he went, he basically lays out a premise for the dismissal that is unassailable.

            I disagree, if only because Stokoe found it pretty easy to assail the premise and make himself appear the victim. The problem is that OCANews is not a forum for simple questions to keep the Church accountable, as Stokoe tries to make it appear, the problem is that OCANews actively encourages a belligerent attitude towards the clergy, using both demeaning commentary and outright lies to discredit and humiliate anyone who stands in Stokoe’s way. Stokoe cultivates this belligerent attitude through the skewed articles he publishes and the control he wields over the comments section.

            Bishop Matthias hit on a lot of this, but unfortunately he didn’t go into enough specific details in order to prove that it wasn’t just disagreement with Stokoe or resentment of “questions” that raised Bishop Matthias’s ire. Taking some time to investigate would have given Bishop Matthias the unassailable cause that you spoke about.

            Also, as much as it pains me to give Stokoe or his followers anything, they do have a point about this coming without warning. It looks like Bishop Matthias and Stokoe had never corresponded before. As much as Stokoe deserved to be yanked off the council and thrown out on his behind, it looks bad for Bishop Matthias to not have given Stokoe a chance to explain himself.

            That’s why I felt that Bishop Matthias should have met with Stokoe ahead of this, in order to get a firm grasp on how Stokoe justifies what he does, so he could take this bull by the horns. He would have known that his words would be cut to pieces and used against him, as Stokoe has now done.

            As much as I appreciate – and honor – the bishop’s brave stand against Stokoe, I worry that he may have just played directly into Stokoe’s hands. We’ll need to support him.

            The bright side is that we’ve just seen a baby bishop oppose Stokoe to his face. That takes nerve. However, the dark side of this is that if Stokoe successfully plays this as his victimization, the AAC can elect him to the Metropolitan Council, as some positions on the council are elected at-large. I don’t know if Bishop Matthias would have the authority to remove him then. Even if he did, he will likely be subjected to significant pressure to leave Stokoe alone. They’ve already started a “gay” rumor about him!

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            • Geo Michalopulos says:

              My take on this (why I believe +Matthias acted correctly) is that there is too much institutional corruption still in the OCA. Had +Matthias gone through the hoops with letters of admonition, fact-finding committees, tribunals, episcopal summonses, etc. then Mark would not only have been able to finish off his term but would have roiled the institutional waters so much that nothing would have gotten done and +Matthias would have been made to look innefectual.

              Plus, let us not forget that corrupt and devious men like Mark still have allies on the MC and HS and they would have been called to bear. Although the nature of Webster’s complaint was unnaissailable, the institutional rot that characterizes Syosset/MC could have enabled Stokoe to marshall what forces he has and fight back to an uneasy and messy truce.

              Should all bishops in the future act so precipitously in all manners relating to spiritual discipline? No, not if there is room for repentance and the defendant has acted in good faith in the past, but I think we can all safely surmise that Stokoe at this point is anything but a good-faith actor. That being said, I think +Matthias came to the same conclusion and decided to cut off the head of the snake first and then let the chips fall where they may.

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              • Heracleides says:

                I have to agree with you George. In one of his ‘editorial comments’ Stokoe has already intimated that his pals on the MC will be speaking out on his dismissal when the time is ripe. The removal was best done swiftly – as with pulling a band-aid – rather than allowing Stokoe the time to rally his partisans and further create havoc. Remember that in his Open Letter Fr. Webster relates that he spoke with Mark just last month about voluntarily (i.e. quietly) stepping down from the MC and Stokoe rather flippantly refused. In my view Mark was rather secure in his belief that his pals on the HS and MC could and mostly likely would prevent his removal; but events having proved otherwise, he is now quite content to further stir the pot in creating mischief by portraying himself as the martyred victim for (his version of) “the truth.”

                A careful reading of his editorial comments shows that Mark still has a homosexual agenda, and he is still pushing it by any means possible (if not as the courageous standard bearer, then as the bloodied martyr). The guy is a master manipulator and that awareness needs to be paramount at all times when reading his generally well-crafted spin lest we be taken in once again by his cunning… I’ll doubtless be slammed for stating it, but my take is that Mark employs his mater’s craft quite adeptly; like father, like son.

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                • Geo Michalopulos says:

                  Herc, the Deep Institutional Mediocrity that characterizes Syosset is still in play and you’re right about his two handmaidens on the HS and his cronies on the MC. So I’m glad you agree with me that with people like that the best thing to do is give them the Philip IV treatment, when that King of France dramatically arrested all the Knights Templar in France in one fell swoop on Friday, Oct 13th.

                  I fully expect the Stokovites to regroup and try to create further havoc but now they are fighting from a position of weakness. My hunch is that even though two of the bishops may be on Stokoe’s side, they dare not taken on +Matthias because that would create an unpleasant precedent that will come back to bite them in the future.

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                • Jane Rachel says:

                  Oh yeah.

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  8. Thanks be to God!!! +Matthias!!!! Axios!!!!

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    • Samson Watcher says:

      This is indeed good news … but I think this makes Stokoe quite dangerous. Don’t forget he knows lots of secrets. We know very well that he is not restrained by any sense of ethics, not when he sees his own interests at stake. I would not be surprised if he took this opportunity to start telling what he knows about certain bishops and others. Life could get real interesting, real fast.

      On the other hand, this might not be a bad thing at all, watching certain bishops and other key figures devoured by the monster they helped nurture. Purge the rottenness from the system, say I.

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      • Don’t forget he knows lots of secrets.

        So he claims, but I think it is largely a bluff. Between the lawsuits and the open “secrets,” are there any real secrets left? I doubt it. The only power he has is the threat of revealing things that are probably already known, if not well-known.

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        • Katherine says:

          If people were smart, they would go ahead and reveal the secrets themselves. That way, Mark would have no power over them. I do think it is ironic that Mark wrote that he had learned that denying and dismissing those who ask questions doesn’t work. After all, Mark never addressed the allegations about his lifestyle, ever. He just pretended those allegations weren’t out there. Did he really learn the lesson he says he did? After all, he is now off the diocesan council and the MC.

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      • Katherine says:

        And maybe if those “secrets” do come out, it is God making sure that those secrets come out so that the mess in the OCA can be cleaned up. Also, it is clear that Stokoe has many secrets in his own life–you can bet that those who MS is threatening probably know Mr. Stokoe’s secrets as well as he knows theirs.

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        • True, Kathryn. Who says Stokoe is the only one who can be a lay watchdog? We would have been spared many years of turmoil if just one person in Syosset had been a leader.

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    • Cathryn Tatusko says:

      Well done, Fr. Alexander. And +Matthias–AXIOS!

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  9. Stokoe Finally posted his removal letters.

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    • Mark from the DOS says:

      I enjoyed how he wrote about himself in the third person, so as to give the impression of dispassionate reportage . . . and then signed his name.

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      • I can’t wait to see all the comments of support that will pour in to his site. There is already a barely cohesive one that made me laugh.

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        • Anonymous since it's all the rage says:

          Stupid, stupid, stupid move.

          Mark is now unrestrained. I’m more disappointed in the lack of Machiavellian intelligence than anything else.

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  10. A Remnant says:

    The letters to the Metropolitan Council and Midwest Diocesan Council, and Mark’s response are now posted at his site!

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    • Cathryn Tatusko says:

      Given Mark Stokoe’s history of getting the OCA “news” in any manner he can (with the ostensibly noble ends justifying the means), I think it would be appropriate and proactive for our bishops to take the public stance that anyone serving on either a diocesan or the Metropolitan Council who is found to have given him confidential information also will be dismissed. It is not at all difficult to imagine that he is already at work lining up his anonymous sources from these entities.

      On the other hand, I do hope that good judgment will be used in deeming things to be “confidential,” and that that term will not be used simply to mask problems the faithful have a right to be made aware of. Tough balancing act, to be sure, but I think it can be done. We need to get our “news” from a less agenda-driven source than what OCANews has become. Certainly that isn’t too high a standard to set.

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      • Given Mark Stokoe’s history of getting the OCA “news” in any manner he can (with the ostensibly noble ends justifying the means), I think it would be appropriate and proactive for our bishops to take the public stance that anyone serving on either a diocesan or the Metropolitan Council who is found to have given him confidential information also will be dismissed. It is not at all difficult to imagine that he is already at work lining up his anonymous sources from these entities.

        Absolutely, Cathryn! I hope priests and bishops would be reprimanded for doing that, as well. I don’t like clergy using a layman’s blog as an anonymous proxy for tearing each other down.

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    • I don’t believe much will diminish with OCANews, Stokoe and his Sources and supporters. They may even become more tenacious in their agendas.

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  11. What a laugh. The only priests that get reprimanded in the OCA are those who run afoul of Stokoe. The victims become the criminals and the thief (Bp Mark) becomes the victim. Can you believe that this guy Maymon is still running around the South thinking he is going to get nominated as their next bishop? If that happens, you might as well kiss what is left of the OCA goodbye.

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  12. Heracleides says:

    I see this evening that Leonova’s coven has hit Mark’s comment section en masse to Stokoe, er, stroke his martyred ego. Birds, feathers, etc.

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  13. Jane Rachel says:

    Gay marriage in the Orthodox Church can’t happen. I’ve read somewhere about young men committing suicide in relation to the Orthodox Church, and will NOT mention them specifically because we have no ability to write about it. Our brains are too small to fathom such a thing. Suicide is too tragic for us to speak about in an off-hand way. Suicide victims are in God’s hands. If people commit suicide they commit suicide because they are depressed, not because of Orthodox Apostolic teachings. I know, believe me.

    My nephew is more precious to me than fine silver, than gold, than my own life, than these discussions, than principles, than anything bishops have to say. He is as precious to me as Jesus Christ Himself. My nephew is gay. If he got married to his partner I would be there with my arms wide to hug and support him. If he were Orthodox, I would not be there because the Orthodox Church cannot have marriages between homosexuals, or it would negate itself. This is what I’ve been trying to express.

    What is most important, even more than being a homosexual and being Orthodox, is whether leaders in the Church are corrupt. If ocanews was helping to destroy innocent people’s lives, then it is not a good web site. If the bishop before Bishop Matthias was a good man, was not a homosexual or a practicing alcoholic, then we can rest about him. I think it’s not so. I think he had an agenda behind his question, “Are the allegations true or are they false?” I think the allegations against Fr. RSK were false. I don’t what else Fr RSK did in his life. I don’t know about the corruption and how deep seated it was in Syosset, but in this case, if those allegations against Fr. RSK are false, and if ocanews and Archbishop Job contributed to making sure the public was convinced they were true, then something is very, very wrong indeed with ocanews. It has to be so. If they are false, then Mark Stokoe should be removed from his leadership roles because he never posted the other side. He posted comments but always he was on the side of getting rid of Fr. Kondratick. Even now he doesn’t post fairly. How can he say that he is only allowing questions to be asked, and reporting fairly and evenly when it’s clear he is biased?

    By the way if you are one of the gossipers out there, please stop it!

    I can’t help but want to get to the bottom of the mess first, before I deal with the layers on top.

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  14. Heracleides says:

    For those interested in viewing my latest bit of Stokoe satire, it is entitled “Stokoe Playing-Card” and can be found here: http://s1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff436/Heracleides/

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  15. I have just found this response Mark Stokoe wrote to a comment by Karen:

    I have recieved scores of hate emails, on a daily basis, emails and phone calls saying things I couldn’t even imagine Christians would ever say, from people who know nothing about me, or my life, but simpy want to express their hatred for a particular group with a particular sin. I had no idea what that was like, because such things had never happened to me in my life. People had attacked me before for things I had said, but never for just what they thought I was because someone else who knows nothing about me says I was. Boy, have my eyes been opened to the reality of hate in America. And this from co-religionists!

    I understand now why young gay people kill themselves. I am 58 and shaken; I can’t imagine undergoing this as a young teen. God forgive me, I didn’t know. I really didn’t know.

    I know Stokoe is not above lying to serve his purposes, but if this is true, it’s horrible. I don’t think anyone who resorts to childish threats and insults is really upholding the tradition of the Church. (Unless you’re from 4th/5th century Alexandria, and if you are, you might want to give it a rest now.)

    Behavior like this from those who oppose homosexual activity makes everyone who opposes homosexual activity look bad, whether or not others personally support that behavior or not. I have seen this frequently as an advocate of the pro-life movement; we are constantly branded as crackpot terrorists by the violent actions of a few. I remember reading about an abortion clinic nurse who was horribly maimed by one of Eric Rudolph’s bombs. Did it give her a moment’s reflection on the suffering and death she had taken part in? No. It made her and her family that much more bitterly pro-abortion and anti-religion. And now she is the poster girl for the abortion industry’s campaign to defame the pro-life movement as violent and murderous, when in fact it is the abortion industry that fits that description.

    So if you really want to stop Stokoe’s assault on the Church, don’t attack the Church from the other side. Instead, show him what it really means to imitate Christ.

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    • Geo Michalopulos says:

      Helga, I very much agree with you. My question to Mark Stokoe is has he ever thought about the hurt he has caused to people who have run afoul of him? Has he stopped to reflect that stealing Fr Joseph’s e-mails is a sin (if not technically a crime)? And causing him to be unemployed (and perhaps on food stamps) is equally a sin?

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      • Heracleides says:

        Gee, I wonder if Mark would also be as willing as to wear a star for that particular sin… (or is that only reserved for the sin Leonova’s crowd advocates)?

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      • On whether or not forwarding or receiving those e-mails was a crime:

        The court holds that, despite his argument that he “passively receiv[ed] the text message” which contained the victim’s password information, he “willfully” obtained it because he remembered it or otherwise recorded it so he could use it later.

        http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/08/california-judge-trolling-with-someone-elses-facebook-is-identity-theft.ars

        The parallels are “chilling,” no?

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        • The discredited Mark Stokoe’s removal from the DC and MC was a good first step in righting the ship of the OCA state, however, it must be followed up with other steps. Bp. Matthias now has a very large target on his back. That loon who “hears voices from rus” has already peddled that the bishop is a homo. Stokoe’s homosexuality WAS the issue in his removal. He should never have been elected except that he was protected and promoted by +Job. The fact that Stokoe and the equally discredited Bishop Mark tried to destroy Fr Fester only shows to what lengths someone of Stokoe’s ilk and Maymon’s greedy ambition will go. Left unchecked, the is no telling what such characters will do.

          Matthias should bar Stokoe from any participation at the upcoming AAC. Maymon should stay back in Baltimore and not even show up in Seattle. Each diocesan bishop must sign off on any delegates and observers to the AAC. Matthias could make another clear statement if he “just says NO” to Stokoe’s participation.

          We all know the moniker OCAN. But such a moniker does not go far enough. Mark Stokoe’s real moniker on the OCA should read OCANCER for that is what he has spread. And this cancer can only be eradicated by being cut out.

          Stokoe will always have his followers but sites like this offer a counterpoint to his self-serving “reporting.” Folks are waking up to his real motives and his real agenda.

          Keep it up George. The fight is just beginning.

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      • Fr. Fester isn’t unemployed. He’s been received into the Carpatho-Russian Diocese, and in an ironic twist, he is now the pastor of Bishop Matthias’ last parish in ACROD, St. Gregory of Nyssa in Seaford, NY.

        Listing from the ACROD online clergy directory for Fr. Joseph:

        http://www.acrod.org/directories/clergydirectory?firstname=&lastname=fester&clergy_submit=Submit+Query&type=clergy

        Here’s St. Gregory’s website – compare the addresses and you see they’re exactly the same:

        http://www.stgreg.org/main.htm

        St. Gregory’s website badly needs to be updated, as it still shows then-Hieromonk Matthias as the pastor.

        I can’t remember where I read that Fr. Joseph had gotten now-Bishop Matthias’ last parish. It was in comments on one of the blogs. OCANews, perhaps?

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    blog loading? I’m trying to determine if its a problem on my end or if it’s the blog.
    Any responses would be greatly appreciated.

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