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Yep. Standard OCA justification. We are right you all are wrong. And when a Great Council decides, the OCA will be on the outside looking in, just like it is now. Got it. Thanks for making it so clear.
» Posted By Jacob On March 14, 2012 @ 2:43 pm
Bravo, Diogenes. Let an uncanonical situation in North America continue by enacting another uncanonical action. Such logic. Such an American response. Such maturity. No wonder the OCA is in such a mess with such petulant thinking.
If you are interested, and I am sure you are, you may wish to look at all the work of the Preconciliar commission for the Great and Holy Council which has been meeting for many years in preparation for the Great Council. I think you will find there are many reasons to have another Council. But if you need just one reason, the abnormal status of overlapping jurisdictions in several parts of the world and a decision to end this would bring a much greater solidarity of purpose to Orthodoxy in those regions for the benefit of spreading the Gospel. Tis that not a good enough reason, dear Diogenes?
» Posted By Jacob On March 14, 2012 @ 1:12 pm
I can’t wait to read how Carl wiggles off the hook for admitting that Protopresbyter Rodion Kondratick is maybe not guilty.
Of course we all know that the entire lynchpin of the “new” OCA hangs on the presumed guilt of Kondratick. This shows how spiritually thin is the OCA. They will hold on to a lie to “keep the dream alive” as the Dalai Lama of Protopresbyters (to coin an excellent phrase of Bp. Tikhon) than face the truth. They will rewrite history to cover their tracks and put people in place (Wilson, Solodow, Nescott, Garretson) to perpetuate the myth. They would rather recreate the OCA into its present abomination founded on the tenets of ocanews than admit they overreacted and started an investigation looking for a scapegoat.
Lest we forget, the hiring of PR was to “build a firewall around the Metropolitan” the famous smoking gun words of the now discredited Paul Kucynda. From that false premise, we now have the “new” OCA. How fast and far we have fallen.
Lord, have mercy on us.
But please, Carl, Diogenes, try and justify such a sorry situation. Tell us that it was all worth it because we are so much stronger than before. So much more righteous, so much more transparent (minus all those Executive Sessions in the MC). Enlighten us poor peasants.
» Posted By Jacob On March 14, 2012 @ 12:58 pm
and in my case how dyslexic ….. should read how dysfunctional…….
» Posted By Jacob On March 14, 2012 @ 11:47 am
I may be many things but a bastard I am not. But please, keep writing here because it is fun to refute your effort point. The bottom line of the Garklavs saga was to once again put on full display for the world to see who dysfunctional the OCA has become. But as Spasi says,
Everything and everyone is as it should be.
Everything and everyone is as it should be.
Everything and everyone is as it should be.
» Posted By Jacob On March 14, 2012 @ 11:04 am
I am glad that makes you feel good about the future of the OCA. Sadly since all of this so-called openness, financial transparency and documentation of all accounting issues, the OCA has less money, fewer members and a status in world Orthodoxy that is on the verge of total non-recognition. But, you are right, Melanie does a good job and all is well in the OCA. Keep repeating it. It seems to make you feel better!:)
» Posted By Jacob On March 14, 2012 @ 8:10 am
On the contrary, Dio. He was fired, he continued to work at full pay in a “new” position, and then he gets three month’s full pay when they found him a new parish, Holy Trinity in Parma. He made out like a bandit, as the saying goes. But he also squeezed a dacha and other “gifts” from the Russian Church in exchange for the TIkvin Icon. SOP.
And lest we forget, they paid Fr Jarmus $70K when they made a mistake in hiring him without doing their due diligence on his immigration status. But that is chump change compared to the $700K they wasted on pursuing the Kondratick case, which they lost, and the $300K in hiring Proskure Rose.
And now they want to hire a full time sex abuse person? All of this without paying any attention to the clock ticking down to 2013 when the OCA Assessment MUST be cut. Again, SOP. Load up on all the great things we are doing and how we need more money.
If they want to open up old files, why not open up the 1987/88 file when Chancellor Daniel Hubiak wiped $740K in internal debt from borrowing against other accounts, OFF THE BOOKS. Kondratick never did that. But, hey, that chapter will never be reopened as long as Greg Nescott is on the MC to make sure that history of his father-in-law is never revisited. Yep SOP
Just a reminder to the MC, the Church said cut the assessment and your job is to enact the decisions of the AAC. We are watching and we are not looking for a $5 cut. We are looking for a cut to $50. Your job is to make it happen. So stop all your busy work and do the one thing we told you to do.
» Posted By Jacob On March 14, 2012 @ 7:55 am
Not so big fish in a very tiny pond. Mostly busy work, well intended but of no real consequence to me in my parish. Can’t wait for the Jillions blog and his words of wisdom. If the MC disappeared tOmorrow, I don’t think many would notice.
» Posted By Jacob On March 12, 2012 @ 8:11 pm
I have to agree with Carl. The sermon was more grandstanding than real substance. I am more hopeful that we are closer to solving the most vexing issues that can lead to a solution to our ecclesial anomaly but such off the cuff sermons don’t help when dealing such a complex situation. At this point the less said in public the better.
Besides, the OCA now has the Serbian Orthodox Church upset with them after they sent a letter of protest because of the stunt that Bishop Nikon pulled by hosting the (Muslim) Albainian president of Kosovo at the OCA Albainian Cathedral in South Boston. Talk about grandstanding with those photo ops of her at the grave of the ever-memorial Bp. Fan Noli.
Another dumb move that does,little to enhance the standing of the OCA here or overseas.
» Posted By Jacob On March 11, 2012 @ 9:33 pm
What point are you trying to make about the apparent “zero GOA clergy this year?”
» Posted By Jacob On March 11, 2012 @ 3:18 pm
I truly appreciate your openness and your desire to hear from all points of view, but with regards to Ashley, please consider that he keeps saying the same thing over and over again. Maybe in different ways, but it all comes back to the same bottom line for him. May I suggest that he be put on moderation. You can review what he has to offer and if it is new and worth posting, then by all means. But if it is just the same ol same ol, spare us, please. I think it is having an adverse effect on the website.
My 2 kopecks.
» Posted By Jacob On March 7, 2012 @ 12:25 pm
The SMPAC report not seeing the light of day was more a result of a proven pattern of scapegoating by Garklavs of the Metropolitan. It was also more a case of if that report saw the light of day it would open the OCA to a real chance of legal repercussions. Thus, the printed facts did speak the loudest, too loud to be made public because they were created in an atmosphere of trying to prove the “gravely troubled” label pronounced by the a certain protopresbyter.
Was the Metropolitan always correct? No. Were any possible errors worthy of such underhanded actions by Garklavs? Well, in the new OCA it is clear that the Chancellor does not work for the Metropolitan but for the MC who actually hires him. In such a continuing atmosphere, there is now an chancery atmosphere in which the Chancellor has the upper hand. The Metropolitan either gets along with the Chancellor or he is either marginalized if he objects or simply gives in and lets the Chancellor run things.
Therefore, pretty much nothing has changed in the OCA except we have had two chancellors and interim chancellor who together do not have the experience that the last real chancellor had. Now, I know all the anti-Kondratick forces will rise up and say NEY. But consider this, is the OCA better off now than it was 10 years ago? Are we in better shape or worse? Kondratick was a strong chancellor. Some argue too strong, but we have not found as effective replacement and we are suffering in our inter-church relations.
It is a just a matter of time before there will be another showdown between the Chancellor of the MC and the Metropolitan.
And, you may wish to check into the battle now taking place inside the Contemporary Issue committee of the Strategic Plan over the issue of homosexuality and gay marriage. You might find this informative.
Finally, I am not sure how the Metropolitan’s actions were hurtful and offensive. Would you explain?
» Posted By Jacob On March 22, 2012 @ 8:30 am
In terms of your assertion about being loyal to his Archbishop, Demetrios, I believe the proof is in the pudding. He has one of the fastest growing churches in the GOA in the Hamptons on Long Island. In fact, they have outgrown their old church (not that old) and are embarking on the construction of a new temple.
No doubt he relies on his son-in-law Fr Constantine to do a great deal of the day-to-day running of the parish, but also no doubt that Fr Alex and Presbytera Xanthi are two of the hardest working priest and priest wife couples I have ever seen. Most would buckle under such a schedule. I don’t think that anyone who attends his parish feel cheated because his first love and first calling is standing in front of the altar he has been assigned to and to serve and be a pastor to his people.
Is he tough? When he needs to be. He is good at what he does? Yes he is. He is disliked? You bet because he doesn’t take any crap, especially from bishops. Sadly, critics of Fr Alex all to often react out of envy. I have seen it firsthand and it is too bad.
I have also seen Fr Alex give of his time, talents and own money to help scores of people. He has a myriad of contacts and he has used those contacts to help people get jobs, get into colleges, and help those who need help. He does this without fanfare and thus to portray him as this “nefarious” character is just not accurate.
As we all know, bishops sometimes do stupid things, even illegal things, and as we also know, some of them never think that they ever make a mistake nor change their ways. So when a person, even an Archon objects to something, and that bishop is in the wrong, would not we all enjoy an advocate for what is right.
As to your conclusion about the GOA being eccesial colony of a foreign patriarchate it is also true that the Greek Archdiocese is out front with the ACOB. Whether it will finally bear the fruit of a administratively united Orthodox Church in the USA, no one knows. But if it were not for the GOA now, ACOB would be no better than SCOBA, but ACOB has already surpassed SCOBA in its visibility and potential, and this is because those foreign patriachates decided that the Church in those parts of the world in a confused canonical situation need to get their act together, start meeting and start setting their own agenda. Remember, if this ACOB here in the USA and CA say we want to be independent, then the ball is put right back into those foreign patriarchate’s lap. We have never had this opportunity before. To me that is an important step.
Enough. I don’t want to rival AN with posts so long that no one bothers to read them……hint, hint AN. Thanks, George.
» Posted By Jacob On March 2, 2012 @ 10:47 am
In the spirit of full disclosure, and maybe you have already done so somewhere on Monomahkos, but may I ask, is there some “bad blood” between you and Fr. Alex that is the basis for this story? Are you working out some “unfinished” business from your days in the GOA?
the Macchiavel who functions as a sort of papal legate within the GOA
Third (and most nefarious) the Greek government is leaning on the GOA and its surrogates to help bail them out pronto.
Fr Alex makes no bones about his support of the EP. He is upfront in his role and what he does. No one who knows Fr. Alex would be surprised by his support for the EP and his loyalty in Pat. Bartholomew. His role is to support the work of the EP here in the USA. You may not like his role and you are free to disagree, but your loaded language (Macchiavel…..papal legate) sadly reminds me of similar language used by a now defunct website to whip his followers into action against Met. Jonah.
As for your assertion (and most nefarious) about the GOA helping the Greek government, the GOA has a very transparent donation button on its homepage. Frankly, I don’t think that there is enough money if all the Archons gave all their money to bail out Greece. If people want to help those suffering in Greece, as the Russian Orthodox Church has also done, I don’t see obvious “nefarious” motives. However, if you can produce such dark motives, then you should.
How this all plays out in terms of Orthodox Unity in the USA may be another story, but that is not what you wrote about. Are Greeks interested in administrative unity in the USA? Maybe they are, maybe not. But at this point the Greek Archdiocese is spearheading the work of the Assembly of Canonical Orthodox Bishops of North and Central America. They are keeping the work going and active in making sure that, for example, the content of the ACOB is fresh so that people can learn more, and in particular, listen to the members of ACOB, the bishops, in their own words. They are riding herd on the ACOB committees to make sure they are doing their work in preparation for the next full meeting of ACOB.
As you know, I have been a supporter of this site in its efforts to provide balance and other points of view when such opinions were silenced by another site that is now defunct and its webmaster being sued. I just think that your not so subtle reference to Fr. Alex as a “Godfather” figure stems from a deeper history and thus colors your portrayal. If I am wrong, please forgive me.
» Posted By Jacob On March 1, 2012 @ 9:08 am
This is not new news. Fr Maximus has been attached to St. Nicholas for quite a while, at least a couple of years if not longer while he continues his missionary activities.
» Posted By Jacob On March 8, 2012 @ 4:25 pm
Thank you for the compliment. Golly (blush) .
» Posted By Jacob On March 7, 2012 @ 8:45 pm
Not sure if he will be a good bishop, but it is interesting how he was put on a “never to be made a bishop” list by the OCA Synod in the past but now he is ok?. Maybe Bishop Tikhon would know more about the previous serious reservations.
» Posted By Jacob On March 7, 2012 @ 3:47 pm
What was illogical and unreasonable before this “logical and reasonable” step?
» Posted By Jacob On March 7, 2012 @ 3:44 pm
Don’t hold your breath. He still believes what he said about Jonah and Fester is true and only regrets the way he said it. He pontificated his correctness in the South recently. Kinda puts his podcast in a sadly new perspective. But let’s pray that he will correct himself and redeem his reputation.
» Posted By Jacob On February 25, 2012 @ 8:05 pm
Yes. One would assume since Fr Alexander starts his new assignment as rector of Holy Trinity Church in Parma in March. Unless of course the OCA is supplementing his income, kinda like after a player is traded and the team that trades him picks up part of his salary as part of the trade.
Cut the assessment MC in a significant amount.
» Posted By Jacob On February 19, 2012 @ 12:14 pm
Outside of any real SMPAC work, deciding when the bishops will arrive, stay, and depart for Golitzin’s consecration and nailing Velenca’s hide to the wall, both agendas are fluff and busy work.
The one thing they should be spending most of their time on is how much the budget needs to be cut and how they will raise the non-assessment funds for any income offset. They better not run out of time at every meeting and tell us by the end of the year that there is no way they can reduce the assessment next year.
We are watching and taking notes MC and Synod. We are not in any mood for more bait and switch routines. Clear out your busy work agenda and cut spending and reduce the assessment. That is what the AAC directed you to do. Now do it! And may the Lord bless your real work.
» Posted By Jacob On February 18, 2012 @ 9:55 pm
I will not give up my sources for this information. Asking me is not appropriate. I will say again, I know what I reported is true and sources confirmed the story.
Don’t lose sight of the main point, the synod got a “diagnosis”, that is what they wanted, however, they can’t do anything with it because who cares, SLI was compromised the moment that Kishkovsky and Bradley angled for the synod to place Jonah there and the synod was further compromised when they gave Jonah three choices in Seattle. They exposed their desperate hand, they played it and Jonah in the end exposed them for the compromised and self-centered group they have become. Folks, Jonah won this round.
However, as George stated before, the OCA is in a stalemate. That is why the synod is paralyzed. They know they can’t rid themselves of Jonah. The OCA is weakened beyond measure by all this nonsense since OCAN launched its assault on Jonah.
The real genie that is out of the bottle is that the synod lost and Jonah won. What the future holds is anyone’s guess. I am not positive about the OCA future, I think Jonah is a flawed and weakened leader. I think he is compromised by his lack of support on the synod. Can he gain their trust and support? With a couple of retirements on the synod things can get better. Can Jonah forge a strong working relationship with his new chancellor? That is up to both Jonah and Jillions, but yes it could happen. Are there dragons still lurking that would further damage the OCA? You bet, Maymon is one of the biggest and Melchesedik still has his canonical issues.
Like Carl, I am going to take my leave of this issue as we get ready for Christmas. I wish all of you a joyous holiday.
» Posted By Jacob On December 20, 2011 @ 8:43 am
You are welcome.
» Posted By Jacob On December 19, 2011 @ 12:25 pm
Monk James is not a hieromonk. He is a monk. I am a fierce proponent of battling misconceptions about monastics!
» Posted By Jacob On December 19, 2011 @ 9:23 am
Again, JR, no. Didn’t make it up. I live in a no foisting zone!
» Posted By Jacob On December 18, 2011 @ 8:23 pm
Sadly your ignorance of the practice of the Jesus Prayer is rather startling. You might wish to do some study of it before you make a bigger arse of yourself here. I will give you a clue, again, it is called the Prayer of the Heart.
You stated previously:
I find it amazing that you believed Jacob’s fabrication. Why am I saying that it is a fabrication? Jacob himself said that +Jonah refused to share the results of the evaluation with anyone. So, unless Jacob=+Jonah, it must be a fabrication. OTH, if Jacob did not fabricate this tall tale, then +Jonah comes across as an unserious person, at the very least.
Fabrication? Let me write this in BIG LETTERS for you, dear Carl; Jonah can share the results of his “evaluation” with who ever he wishes. That is his right. What is not a right is for anyone, including members of the synod, to demand that he share those results.They may have forced Jonah into SLI but that does not give them the right to demand the results. Now, Carl, you didn’t quite get that before so I hope you do now.
Whether you believe me or not Carl is of no matter to me but your attempt to play a game of misdirection with the facts falls flat. You’ve struck out on this one. Go grab some bench.
And yes Anna, enough talk about this ugly chapter perpetrated by members of the OCA synod on Jonah. It is time for Reconciliation not more attacks on a man who is being persecuted because he tries to pray without ceasing.
» Posted By Jacob On December 17, 2011 @ 10:39 pm
» Posted By Jacob On December 17, 2011 @ 3:58 pm
You missed my less than subtle point. Just because a man says the Jesus Prayer as it is supposed to be practiced does not mean he suffers from OCD. A so-called diagnosis by someone looking for anything makes not prayer without ceasing an affliction. Are we all clear on this now? To be even more clear, the Metropolitan does not suffer from OCD because he practices the Prayer of the Heart. He practices the Prayer because he prays it without ceasing. No diagnosis required and no legitimate SLI was therefore made.
Carl, those whom you quote are the ones who should be on bended knees before Jonah, a modern day Joseph, asking him for forgiveness as a first public step in an OCA reconciliation process.
» Posted By Jacob On December 17, 2011 @ 3:20 pm
Jane, et. al,
The only one who can lead the OCA out of its current Time of Troubles, caused in no small part by Stokoe and Wheeler, is Metropolitan Jonah, however I am not sure that he is capable to stand up and lead. His inability to stand up to the synod and tell them NO to going for that humiliating and unjustified evaluation is disturbing. It not only embarrassed the OCA it embarrassed the OCA’s biggest defender, Moscow. It is like a parent having to explain the bad decisions of their child to other parents. They are not pleased, nor should they be. They too see a Church being led by a decent person but unable to defend himself and thus the Church he is called to represent.
As for the Kondratick appeal, all the synod is doing, and here again Jonah is not leading, is kicking the can down the road. They are just tabling his appeal. They have done this several times already. Benjamin, Nathaniel and Michael have no intention of hearing his appeal because they would all be exposed, i.e. the “culture of mutual embarrassment.”
As for Klimechev, I do not think we will see him on the road with the Metropolitan or any OCA bishop. He serves quite well except for his thick accent which at times made him unintelligible.
As for the OCA muck, it is our muck and no other Church really wants it on them, hence the non-invite to Metropolitan Sava’s installation, no invite to Pat. Kirill’s 65th birthday. Yes, ROCOR is serving with us, but that has just as much to do with the abundant kindness of Met. Hilarion, truly a kind and decent man, in many ways like Jonah. It is good that the historic tensions between the ROCOR and the OCA have ended. Now will ROCOR actually stay close to the OCA now that this historic celebration took place?
For now, the OCA synod is paralyzed. They want to get rid of Jonah and made their strongest attempt, and maybe their last attempt in Seattle. It has been confirmed by two sources that on the Sunday on the eve of the Council, after the synod had met in session without Jonah (a canonical infraction), they gave Jonah three choices:
1. Read the speech prepared for him by the synod (Kishkovsky)
2. Read the synod’s insert about taking blame and getting an evaluation.
3. Read his own speech and be put on a Leave of Absence.
We know now that Jonah took option two. But what is also true is that he did not have to take any the options and could have said “nuts” to you. However what this does reveal is the depth of the dysfunction inside the synod and the total loss of focus this synod now embraces.
The synod also forced Jonah to release his “evaluation” to the synod, however he came to his senses and said they do not have a right to its contents, which they do not. However it has also been confirmed that this hack place St. Luke’s Institute came to one conclusion about Jonah, that he suffers from OCD, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Yep, Jonah has OCD, but how did they come to this conclusion? This sage evaluation center concluded because Jonah says THE JESUS PRAYER all the time, he suffers from OCD. So folks, the ranks of people suffering from OCD in the world exploded and places like Mount Athos are totally OCD centers according to the standards of SLI. I kid you not! Nice try Bradley and Kishkovsky but your efforts have been exposed.
I have said it before and I will say it again, the OCA is broken. Maybe in Jonah’s wisdom going through that useless evaluation finally exposed how sick people like Benjamin really are and how immoral a bishop like Nathaniel is. Mutual compromise is not something someone imposed on the synod back in the Kondratick days or now, it is something these bishops did to themselves by their personal choices. This group is quick to blame others but slow to accept their own misdeeds.
Jonah will remain as Metropolitan, largely because Moscow still holds a gun to the synod’s head with the clear threat that if Jonah is removed for anything other than a canonical infraction, Moscow will not recognize such a move and will recognize Jonah as Primate of the OCA, thus a schism. Nonetheless, Jonah will have tough decisions ahead, like keeping Maymon away from the DOS and any other OCA diocese, standing up to Benjamin and Nathaniel and hopefully in the not too distant future bid farewell to Nathaniel from the synod. Jonah should stand up and surround himself with people who will help him become the leader of the OCA he was graced by the Holy Spirit to be and not dragged down by handlers who exploit his weaknesses.
It is time for an OCA Reconciliation Commission to come to grips with our past and present scars heal them, scar tissue and all, be reconciled to each other so that we can move forward together. Without such an effort our future efforts will not be blessed by God. If our leaders are truly interested in leading and setting a Godly example, they will take the first step. Will they?
» Posted By Jacob On December 17, 2011 @ 9:28 am
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Monk James is correct about the Beslan Fund transfer and I am glad that he corrected his previous statement before I did. Kondratick never touched the Beslan money. What is important to recall is that Strikis (who is now banned from holding any OCA church office) and Garklavs (who was fired as the OCA Chancellor) both testified to the SIC that Kondratick stole OCA monies. However when both were deposed in the Kondratick civil case against the OCA and under oath and the threat of perjury, they changed their testimony and said there was NO evidence that Kondratick stole any OCA funds. That they had no knowledge of him stealing any OCA funds. The excuse Strikis gave for the Beslan fund transfer to the SIC was that he “lost” the records. Well, that is entirely possible since he would take financial records home with him, totally improper, but Wheeler did the same thing, copying records and taking them off site in his “courageous” campaign to rid the Church of Kondratick. But Wheeler is now safe behind the wall of silence with his brother-in-law now the new OCA Chancellor. A mere coincidence?
Now Garklavs has not accounted for any of the tens of thousands of dollars, maybe hundreds of thousands, that went directly to him as a result of the Tikhvin Icon’s return to Russia. Not one person except the Garklavs family knows how that money was used. There was no independent audit of those funds made public. It was indeed stupid for the OCA to give in to the demands of Garklavs to have those Appeal funds go directly to the family and not through the OCA, but the pressure to return the Icon was such that Garklavs had the OCA over the proverbial barrel and he knew it.
So the Big Lie continues and now Jonah has been compromised by it because he knows the truth and is powerless to do anything about it. He knew the truth about the DC nuns and did nothing. He knew that truth about Fester and did nothing. He knows the truth about Benjamin and Melchesedek and does nothing. He knows the truth about Maymon and does nothing. He knows the truth about Forsberg and Burke and does nothing. The synod now has him over a barrel and he is just as weak and compromised as Theodosius was. There are many ways to be compromised in the OCA and the bishops know well how to use such information to their advantage.
It is rather disgusting how corrupt this OCA synod is and as I have said before no good will come the way of the OCA until the house is swept clean and those who have things to hide come forward and repent. That includes Bp Michael who sat on the not so spiritual court that deposed Kondratick or Nathaniel who was the judge. No, Michael is now part of the what Monk James has stated very well, the synod’s “culture of mutual embarrassment.” Tikhon too knows the truth about Met. Herman and Klimechev and what really happened at STS. Why now is the synod willing to lift the suspension of Dn.Klimechev? Maybe because he didn’t do anything wrong? Why is Herman saying in writing to the synod that he regrets his role in the deposition of Kondratick and that it should be lifted at once? Why does the synod continue to table the request of Kondratick to listen to his appeal, as is his canonical right?
Folks, whether you like Kondratick or now, think he is guilty or not, the facts remain that this synod has played fast and loose with canonical order and is jeopardizing the very legitimacy of the OCA in the eyes of Orthodox Churches around the world.
And, when the story of what the Synod imposed on Jonah at the AAC comes out and the details about his stay at SLI, it will further alienate people and Orthodox Churches in the world. But if Jonah does not stand up and take on this corruption, he will be no better than those who are using the OCA for their own selfish purposes. He will be part of the problem and not part of the solution.
» Posted By Jacob On December 16, 2011 @ 10:15 am