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Dear Mr. Stankovich–I just wish to say goodbye to you. As Barry Goldwater used to say, Illegitimi non carborundum!. In Christ, Kyrill
» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 17, 2013 @ 10:06 am
Yes, he is very good that way.
» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 15, 2013 @ 5:18 pm
I guess I am the second person attacked by your latest. What an honor!
While I am not a counselor, I am quite familiar with HIPAA regulations. I assure you that I have not seen the SLI Report. I also have not communicated with any person from Syosset. What I have posted on this forum is simply my analysis from the facts before us. My credentials are simple: two bachelors degrees (summa cum laude), GRE scores of 99 and 98 percentile (to provide context), 15 years of work as an intelligence officer, and almost 20 years of work as a project manager and planner in social and health services. I am also an incurable optimist who does perhaps overreact when grievously disappointed. I have a very good analytical track record and, despite my age, I do not think that I have lost enough of my capabilities to have a mistake on this case.
My argumentation against +Jonah is well documented, so is my push back against those who are waging war on his behalf. i will not repeat them. Furthermore, I remain unconvinced of the sincerity of Team Jonah’s approach or the reliability of this unholy team’s accusations. Frankly, this latest libelous and unsubstantiated attack on Mr. Stankovich and myself reeks of desperation; perhaps what we have said came close to the truth?
» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 15, 2013 @ 10:15 am
Colette–+Jonah schemes because of his personality disorder–he cannot help himself. Fr. Fester schemes because he loves power, maneuvering behind the scenes, playing Wormtongue to Theoden.
» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 16, 2013 @ 7:23 pm
Dear Father Hans–I was talking about when the email was sent (Pre-Santa Fe) rather than when it came to light. Regarding OCAN as an advocacy site, I always thought it was so, way before +Jonah came into the scene. I rely on OCAN because there precious few other sources. The proof of the pudding is not who wrote those articles but whether official news sources backed up the OCAN narrative. At the end, you have the OCAN narrative backed up by official OCA and the whole sordid story boils down to one man against all others. There are sub-themes such as the homosexual takeover of the OCA, but ultimately it is all of the Holy Synod against +Jonah.
» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 16, 2013 @ 7:14 pm
Read the following directive and then we can talk some more;
http://eadiocese.org/News/2012/aug/Abbessdirective.pdf» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 16, 2013 @ 9:22 am
A bit of history Mr. Mortiss: I was baptized by a proudly schismatic church–the Bulgarian Exarchate–in St Stephen’s Cathedral, just a couple of blocks from the St George, the cathedral of the Patriarch of Constantinople. I think that the Greeks in the city would not have hesitated to label me not only in schism but a schismatic, and they would have been correct. Same thing happened when my father became a priest of the Macedono-Bulgarian Diocese of North America under ROCOR. He carefully weighed his options for becoming a priest: Constantinople and Sofia were out, so he ended up being ordained by a ROCOR bishop in France.
I see folks switching jurisdictions in the United States all the time, most often for practical reasons, such as the non-availability of a parish of one’s normal jurisdiction. According to Wikipedia, a schism is simply a division between people–even if the word is usually applied to parishes or jurisdictions. OTOH, “A schismatic is a person who creates or incites schism in an organization or who is a member of a splinter group. Schismatic as an adjective means pertaining to a schism or schisms, or to those ideas, policies, etc. that are thought to lead towards or promote schism.”
One could say that I am indeed splitting hairs in emphasizing the less appealing connotation of “schismatic” which could also be a descriptive term. I choose not to do so for two reasons: (a) most folks look at both “schism” and “schismatic” in a bad light, as pejorative terms, and (b) sometimes to schism and indeed to be a schismatic is justified by unbearable wrongs that one has suffered. In my folks’ case, the wrong they suffered was the cultural genocide waged against them by both the Patriarchate of Constantinople and the nation of Greece.
» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 16, 2013 @ 9:06 am
DEar Father Hans–I agree. My impression was that most of that article was prepared ahead of time; most of it was certainly a repeat of previously known/reported facts, but there was a bit of contingency planning going on. There is no question that Mark coordinated proposals on how to get rid of +Jonah, who by that time was clearly a huge liability (see the email leaked by Bishop Tikhon (Fitzgerald). The only question was the extent of the corrective actions. I do not think that it took too long for Mark to finish that prepared piece. The big question is not the veracity of the information that Mark reported or the propriety of the actions by the Holy Synod. The big question is whether Mark should have continued his reporting as an insider, a member of the MC.
» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 16, 2013 @ 8:44 am
Ad hominem becomes you.
» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 15, 2013 @ 5:30 pm
As the good professor has said, we have inded covered this to exhaustion.I have made a distinction (based on dictionary definitions) between a person going into schism and a person who is a schismatic. The former is simply a person who leaves one body and joins another, while the latter is one who urges others to do so as well. Believe me I would have called Colette and Father Webster schismatics if they merited that adjetive. They did not in my opinion.
» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 15, 2013 @ 5:27 pm
Dear ?: Thank you for your concern. Along with Prednisone, other anti-rejection medicatyions also caused some changes. For example, in the first couple of months after my tranplant, I would look at the sky, a bird, flower, whatever and start tearing up, overwhemed as I was by their beauty.
Regarding Fr Joseph Fester, he did lose in that “round of scheming,” but I imagine you do not know that he was one of the most active schemers and committed some violations that may well have resulted in a Spiritual Court. His patron was +Jonah who hastily arranged for his transfer out of the OCA; a Spiritual Court would not only have resulted in negative consequences for Father Joseph, but also may have shown +Jonah’s culpability in that “round of scheming.”
» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 15, 2013 @ 5:11 pm
Dear Nit,
1. As a member of good standing of the Orthodox Church in America and under the Constitution of the United States, I believe I have that right.
2. Constantinople would of course love it. And, no Bishop M’s visit to the GOAA had more top do with Constantinople’s displeasure over the DC Nuns than anything else.
Let me ask a question: Why do you continue to repeat the libelous charges made by George against Bishop M?
» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 15, 2013 @ 5:02 pm
Dear Ivan–My statement was conditional; it was predicated on “if Moscow rescinds the Tomos.” In such a case, Moscow would have lost all credibility. However, I could have said that I would advocate becoming an autonomous entity under the Antiochian Patriarchate (much closer to my heart than Constantinople). I said what I did to show the depth of my feelings; coming from an old Bulgarian Exarchist, it was a somewht shocking statement.
» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 15, 2013 @ 4:58 pm
You need to check your facts. +Jonah knew what he was getting into at Santa Fe. The chronology is straightforward;
1/25/10: Stokoe fires first public salvo in article titled “the more things stay the same.”
1/31/10: OCAN reports disagreement between +Jonah and +Nathaniel over the former’s proposal to move he CA to DC. OCAN also announces that the Winter Retreat of the HS will be held in Santa Fe in late February and this nugget “Among the proposals to be discussed is one by Metropolitan Jonah suggesting a reconfiguration of the diocesan boundaries, which would include dividing the Diocese of South, and attaching the parishes in the Atlantic South (Virginia, North & South Carolina,Georgia) to an enlarged Diocese of Washington under +Jonah. A previous attempt to simply reduce the number of dioceses was brought forward by the former regime at the 1999 AAC in Pittsburgh.”
2/24/10: First OCAN report on the retreat includes this: “In an unusual move, Fr. Garklavs, the OCA Chancellor, was asked to address the Synod on Wednesday, February 23rd, to explain recent turmoil in Syosset. The Metropolitan had attempted to dismiss Fr. Garklavs on February 11th in a confrontation in Syosset, but Fr. Garklavs refused to accept the action as the appointment of the OCA Chancellor, as with all the officers, is a Synodal decision (upon recommendation of the Metropolitan Council) – not the sole prerogative of the Metropolitan. The Metropolitan had accused Fr. Garklavs of “disloyalty” in light of a recent report to the Synod from the Sexual Misconduct Policy Advisory Committee – a Committee formed by the Metropolitan of which Fr. Garklavs was a member – which was highly critical of the Metropolitan’s actions, and inactions, in this field over the past 2 years.”
So, +Jonah knew or should have known of the problems that were going to be addressed at Santa Fe. It may be true that he miscalculated the extent of unity against him, but that hardly constitutes being “blindsided.” Come to think of it, if he truly felt that way, and in this I do believe you, than that is another indication of something being not quite right with his mind, character, mental health–take your pick. An amateur sleuth like me could even be emboldened to speculate that he did not see it coming because he suffers from narcissism.
» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 15, 2013 @ 11:32 am
He doubled down instead: see his latest screed just published.
» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 15, 2013 @ 10:18 am
No George, I have never looked upon +Jonah as a slobbering, mustache-twirling evildoer. I have felt sorry for him as he is morbidly obese, just as I became after 6 years on Prednisone, but I have been able to resist the urge so far to eat ribeye during Great Lent. As I admitted elsewhere, I have also resented his lack of backbone, a feeling that changed to resenting his childish behavior (not cute childish but brat childish). I have lost respect for him as a man of character when he kept on reneging on his word. However, there is one person whom I see as a mustache-twirling evil-doer: Father Joseph Fester. I wonder if he is still whispering in +Jonah’s ear? As for you George, I used to think that you were a sophisticated Sancho Panza but now I think you fancy yourself to be The Don. Ride on George…
» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 15, 2013 @ 6:42 am
Nobody will surrender the autocephaly except to an administratively united and autocephalous church in North America. However, if Moscow rescinds the Tomos, I will advocate for an autonomous status under any other local church other than the Russians. Even Constantinople.
» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 15, 2013 @ 6:07 am
Quo vadis, George?
You sure have attracted some sterling Orthodox Christians around you;
Um, an Anglican, who says “the OCA is not the Church, that it is not the Body of Christ.”
Colette, who has schismed and went over to ROCOR
Fr. Webster, who also schismed and went over to ROCOR
Ladder, a certified nut job.
The execrable funny guy.
A bunch of decent folks indeed who are lead by you to protect +Jonah by destroying the OCA.
» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 15, 2013 @ 6:02 am
It has been building up for the longest of time. I pray that I will be able to back off. What I am saying, however, although imprudent, is the truth as I see it and I am very angry.
» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 14, 2013 @ 8:45 pm
The DC nuns were lawless monastics who did not wish to have nobody over them except their elder in Greece. Even ROCOR had to set them loose. Why Georgia took them in is a mystery but they will also learn that you cannot make wine out of corn.Why +Jonah invited them is clearer now; he was driven by his narcissistic personality disorder.
» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 14, 2013 @ 8:39 pm
You are not a fool for Christ. You speak with a forked tongue. Come out from behind the rock that you are hiding and tell us why I should believe you.
» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 14, 2013 @ 8:35 pm
Is it honorable and decent to speculate about the sexual and other proclivities of anyone? Why is this one man so special, so different than all of his brothers on this forum, where all sorts of lies, vile accusations and indeed speculations have been let loose against his critics? I note that you have not adopted the same pastoral tone with our esteemed host, that execrable funny man, and many others here whose bile enough to drown even the Devil.
» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 14, 2013 @ 8:32 pm
+Jonah destroyed himself by going around the Holy Synod, scheming with the ROC to negate the tomos, and making questionable personnel decisions (that have backfired over and over again), acting like a brat and indeed suffering from some kind of mental disorder. If the gay lobby had a hand on this, they did not have to do much of anything but simply to point out that the emperor has no clothes.
» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 14, 2013 @ 8:11 pm
Colette–Think about it. It makes sense. Take Santa Fe; the man agrees, not once but three times that he will check into some facility. As soon as he leaves town, he changes his mind. What kind of a grown person would do that? Children do: Yes, Mommy I will not hit my sister ever again. Mommy goes to the next room and whack! I will tell you what kind of person: somebody narcissistic like +Jonah. Unless, you think that he suffers from arrested development and is living in perpetual brat-hood. It also makes sense that the one and only report of his diagnosis came from one of his buddies who told us that it was “OCD.” What a load! It was a way to distract us from the real diagnosis, wasn’t it? You see, you can control OCD with medications but a personality disorder–that is another thing all together.
You can take what I say above as attacks on the man’s character. He deserves it; nobody forced him to promise and turn back on his word, over and over again. I am just surprised that y’all still support a “gravely troubled” man to the point of waging scorched earth warfare on any and all who would dare to oppose this tragic figure. Y’all are a bunch of sadists who would crucify the boy who pointed out the obvious. No, shame on you!
» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 14, 2013 @ 8:06 pm
Dear James–Lest you are speaking in all seriousness, you are far from speaking truth to power or having difficulty for doing so. I will be praying for your wicked heart to be healed and this prelest to go away.
» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 14, 2013 @ 10:26 am
Dear Helga–Who are those “evidence-based, qualified evaluators, wo that we can compared them to the qualifications of the evaluators at St. Luke’s?
» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 14, 2013 @ 10:22 am
If it is true that +Jonah suffers from a personality disorder, especially Cluster B, then that may be the reason for nobody wanting him. Here are the range of possibilities:
Cluster B (dramatic, emotional or erratic disorders)
Not to be confused with Type B personality.Antisocial personality disorder: a pervasive disregard for the rights of others, lack of empathy, and (generally) a pattern of regular criminal activity.
Borderline personality disorder: extreme “black and white” thinking, instability in relationships, self-image, identity and behavior often leading to self-harm and impulsivity.
Histrionic personality disorder: pervasive attention-seeking behavior including inappropriately seductive behavior and shallow or exaggerated emotions.
Narcissistic personality disorder: a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and a lack of empathy. Characterized by self-importance, preoccupations with fantasies, belief that they are special, including a sense of entitlement and a need for excessive admiration, and extreme levels of jealousy and arrogance.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_disorder#American_Psychiatric_AssociationIf +Jonah suffers from one of these, no wonder that some of his buddies are attacking St Luke’s, psychiatry and psychiatrists. If +Jonah suffers one of these dreaded Cluster B disorders, I would think that the first three do not apply, not only leaving the fourth as a default but the most likely based on his behavior that we know of.
» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 14, 2013 @ 7:49 am
Dear Mr. Stankovich,
You are asking our esteemed host to post with logic, restraint and common sense… Enough said.
It is so interesting how folks make associations. If we were to take the same approach, we would doom many local churches to perdition, just like folks are doing here to the OCA. I am thinking of Astoria (Constantinople),Toledo (Antioch), and locations in Serbia and Russia.
Who would have thought that an Orthodox Inquisition is born in this free country? I am sick of it.
» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 13, 2013 @ 4:33 pm
Dear James–Please tell me if that is your baptismal name so that I can add it to my prayer list.
» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 13, 2013 @ 11:03 am
«« Back To Stats PageNate–George has graciously invited any and all persons to post on his blog, including those who do not identify themselves. I do not think that CQ is to be criticized for obliging our gracious host.
» Posted By Carl Kraeff On May 6, 2013 @ 5:02 pm
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